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Hey everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of The Game Papas.
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That's right, The Game Papas are back.
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As we like to do it here, I feel like you and I always kind of go on these.
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And mostly it's because, you know, we get really busy. Both life and not life and the regular show.
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You know, there's a lot going on, but we're happy to be back.
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That is right, those also told you here are mine, that is Uncle Dad.
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And with me as always in this show is the man, the myth, the legend,
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the one and only Retro Gaming Nomad.
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Hello everybody that caused your computer to freeze for a second,
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you don't like gloria estefan and the miami sound machine,
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that's just that uh what's up uh rgn how
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you doing i'm doing all right man kind of
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still celebrating i don't know if you know why i know you know this because
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it happened to you a couple years back and you were rooting for the enemy in
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my opinion but my celtics won their 18th championship so i am doing fantastic
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got to see that i've seen the celtics win another one.
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And yeah really proud of that man they finally did it your celtics won and what
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better way to celebrate 18 wins than episode 10 right of the game papas that sounds like a
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match made in heaven maybe i don't know i'm trying too hard yeah
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it's a little stretch but i'll take it i'll take
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it and today's episode is a very special one
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a very fun one because i feel like it's a
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medium that we don't talk about no more we don't really
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experience as much they do still but they're not as around
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they're not as around obviously as before the internet if
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you will that is magazines but specifically
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gaming magazines now you know
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no man i know you know know all about that you know you're a little older than i am so
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i can only imagine like you've seen the transition from and
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not to go into too much detail yet but you can you've seen the transition from like
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the og mags to the mags with cds to
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the mags with even like digital content into the mags that are now
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existing right yeah very few mags still
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exist a lot of them you have to they're like more like designs if
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you will but yeah man i i've seen it from the
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very beginning where there were like little teeny tiny magazines that had maybe
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18 pages to in their you know high the popularity early to late 90s where they
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were you know you're looking at 30 40 pages thick now they are pretty much all
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digital so yeah the transition of that and the.
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The morphing of it has been pretty crazy. Yeah. And to really get people to
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understand this too, like this, that was the only way you could really get any
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news about gaming, right?
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Like now you have, I mean, I know you know this, you have massive conferences,
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you have massive, you know, showcases about gaming news, right?
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And then you'll get that news the next day or back in the, you know,
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even go far back mid seventies to the eighties.
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I mean, you had to get that magazine. You had to wait an entire,
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like sometimes not even a month, like an entire like quarter to get the next news, right? Right.
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Yeah. If you weren't in the industry, especially, you know, you're just a fan.
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Unless you knew somebody that was in the industry, you literally had to wait
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for, you know, these magazines to come out.
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And every magazine had, you know, pretty much different content.
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They kind of pride themselves on, you know, hey, we're going to we're going
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to have this, you know, as our as our cover, you know, this game on our cover.
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While the other magazine had a different one on the cover. And God,
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I remember going to bookstores, man, and flipping through all of them,
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because like you said, that was pretty much the only way you got it.
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Other than word of mouth and hanging out in the arcades and,
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you know, you would talk to some people that, you know, had seen a game some
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other place in some other part of the country.
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That was really the only way you got it. We're talking like,
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you know, pre Internet or even, you know, early stages of Internet where it
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just it just wasn't there. It was still considered a geek nerd following,
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and there just wasn't a lot of coverage on it, man.
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So it was it was very scarce. And, you know, it just it ultimately came to the
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point where you were buying games literally off the cover and what it said on
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the back, because a lot of these games were not covered at all.
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So you took a chance on a lot of that stuff, you know, and it's crazy because
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a lot of those games now the value has skyrocketed because there was such a low print.
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It because you know a lot of people didn't know about those games it was all word of mouth,
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oh for sure and you know throughout this episode we'll dive into
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some of those famous covers because you know there's definitely a few real famous
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covers right uh but i gotta kick it off sir with the first one now do you know
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what the first video game magazine is i don't i would say it was probably called
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video game magazine you would think that right that sounds like the most like Like,
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but when you back in the day, though, did they call arcades?
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They called like video games like an arcade had a video game.
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That's what they called it, right? They didn't call it an arcade game, did they?
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Sometimes. I mean, it was called different things. A lot of it was actually
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called a video arcade, you know, or a video arcade game.
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Yeah. But yeah, arcade, we all knew what that meant. okay so
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1974 this magazine was founded by
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editor ralph c lally the second and he
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created are you ready for this play meter magazine playing meter magazine was
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the american trade magazine focusing on coin op amusement arcade industry and
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this wasn't just arcade games my sir it was also jukeboxes so you can get reviews
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on jukeboxes too which let's be honest what is that like.
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Yeah yeah because i mean other than
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the features of the jukebox you know the
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interaction with it you know they played records you
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know what i mean they played 45 records 45 45 is
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all day so i mean how different can they be i mean i guess i guess
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that would be kind of cool because i i have seen a bunch of different you know
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old jukeboxes a couple of my friends have some i've always
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wanted one never got it but i'm of the era
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so i remember yeah different style of jukeboxes and
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how you know you know how much fancier they've
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gotten over the years so yeah i i guess i could see that and i'm
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always fascinated with jukeboxes just
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the way they work and you know the grabbing of the disc and
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just watching it go on that on that on that plate on the turntable and and that
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needle coming down it still excites me to this day when i see it yeah it's like
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having a little robot in the box you know i mean when you look at it like a
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little yeah it's pretty cool oh yes so play meter came It came out in 1974,
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but here's what I thought is pretty crazy.
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Let me ask you this. When do you think the last issue was?
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Oh, you said 1974? It's an arcade. This sounds like a trick question,
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so it probably lasted a lot longer than I thought. I'm going to say up until...
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Street Fighter is still big. I'm going to say 97. I think that's a pretty good guess, personally.
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But the year will surprise you. The last issue came out June 2018.
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No way, dude! That has got to be one of the longest-running magazines as far as fan magazines.
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We're not talking Playboy and Penthouse and your favorite, Juggs.
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Well, Playboy's gone anyway, so that was gone before 2018, I thought.
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Yeah, I mean, of course, digital. So we're talking about physical.
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That's crazy, man.
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Yeah. So here's the importance of PlayMeter. So PlayMeter is the first example
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or the earliest example of what video game journalism would be.
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So it established practices such as individual game reviews,
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and it also established the 10-point assessment scale.
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So basically, if 1 to 10, they were the first ones to do it in that world of game reviews.
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So, yeah, they have a pretty crazy history. I really recommend you look it up
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if you don't know about that magazine.
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But I bring it up, too, because not only is it obviously one of the earliest
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things, but Uncle Dad, Uncle Dad Talks, my main host.
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Mike is from Louisiana, New Orleans.
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This magazine is actually from New Orleans, so it all starts there.
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Wow. Crazy. Yeah. Because you would think something like that would be more
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of a Northern California thing with Silicon Valley and how big arcades were.
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I mean, I guess arcades were big kind of everywhere, but I would never have thought New Orleans.
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I would, you know, don't get me wrong. It's a major city and,
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you know, the sweetheart city of the United States.
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But yeah, when it comes to, you know, arcade and tech and the nerd culture.
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Yeah, that's I would not have thought that at all.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And what's even not really crazier,
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but what's also interesting is that they were literally the headquarters was
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four blocks away from when the levee broke in New Orleans. Oh, man.
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Yeah. And think about that. That was 2005. So that means the magazine still
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existed after 2005 to 2018. Isn't that crazy? That's pretty impressive.
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Yeah it's super impressive so i really recommend go
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checking it out guys and just to kind of give you some more trivia no
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man there was actually also a number of special issues and
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what those issues were they did a buyer's guide they did an equipment pull issue
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a new products by monthly special and of course the annual rank the games so
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they you can definitely tell they definitely were setting up standards for what
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would be the video game magazine i guess traditions if you will,
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now do you know if they put their buyer's guide in other magazines or was it only in theirs.
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I don't have that information so i can't tell you because i
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remember a lot of buyer's guides in the
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back and now that you say the name of that magazine
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it kind of it kind of rings about maybe i saw before but maybe
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i'm misremembering but yeah buyer's guide was
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another thing that was huge in these magazines that that
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sometimes that's the only way you can freaking get some of these games man
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oh for sure for sure i
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remember that for sure because i remember not to
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go too far ahead but i remember that i think nintendo power had
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one and i remember just like circling everything
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i wanted on that like giving it to my parents yeah yeah we
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used to highlight we used to highlight stuff and just you know my wish list
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or whatever and you know never came true but
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yeah there was a lot of those a lot of
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those games man especially the not so well-known consoles
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you know the ones that weren't supported that well you
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you couldn't just walk into you know say like
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at at that time you know a
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store like federated or or or a certain city and buy you know a turbo graphics
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game or an atari jaguar game you had to go sometimes to these mail orders to
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get that stuff because nobody supported those platforms it was it was really
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hard to find and if they did support platforms,
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you know say it was like babbage's or electronics boutique or something like
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that it was It was very scarce, like how many games they had.
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It was just a handful of games. So a lot of that stuff was mail order, man.
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So keeping with that era in the 70s, let's go past a little bit.
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What's a magazine that stands out to you from that time? Because you,
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were you, I mean, I don't mean to put you on blast like that,
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but you were already, you know, you're like, what, 10 around there, right?
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Yeah, maybe a little bit older, but I, wait, what year?
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If that's 74 let's just go a little past that okay what's what 80s let's go to 80s early 80s,
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A lot of that stuff was you had to subscribe. So I had like a I had like an
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Atari magazine that was sent to my house that I was an Atari age.
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Yeah, I had Atari age and I had to subscribe to that to get it sent to my house.
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Because, again, you can just go anywhere and just pick that up.
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It was really hard to find.
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And there wasn't really at that time in my in my neighborhood.
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There wasn't really a like a bookstore or a magazine store.
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You had the liquor stores and stuff, but they didn't carry stuff like that.
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You had to go to a specialty store to get that.
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And there just wasn't really any in my town to get it. So I had to subscribe to it.
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And I subscribed to, God, I forgot what the magazine was for TurboGrafx,
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but I did them too. The NEC magazine.
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I did that as well for a little bit. But yeah. And then, of course,
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early Sega stuff with Sega Visions.
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That was in the 80s too, early 80s.
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Well, let's talk about Atari Age since we're kind of dabbing in that.
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That atari age do you remember how you became a how
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you how you subscribe to that the way i subscribed
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was i did a
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mail order for a game and when
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it came in it had the little pamphlet inside to say hey join our magazine atari
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age and i filled out that stuff saved up my money uh gave the money to my dad
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he wrote me a check to send it in and then yeah i think it was probably like
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Like six to eight weeks later, I got my first issue.
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And honestly, man, I remember my first issue. It was all black and white.
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Yeah, yeah, I believe it. I believe that for sure. Do you remember what was
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on the cover or no? I don't know. I can't.
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God, I want to see. Let me see if I can find it.
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I want to say it was an asteroid. It was a centipede. I don't know if I have the first one.
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I don't think I have those anymore. I had the later ones. I kept them.
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But my early ones, I think my mom tossed all that stuff.
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Really? Because they're always worried about, yeah, fire hazards.
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Probably used to stack those things up.
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I think I might have one or two stored away in my garage. But no,
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I don't remember the cover.
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Well, it's a trip. I keep trying to find it, and it keeps just giving me the
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second one. But basically, the first cover isn't anything unique.
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And the reason why you're thinking all these different things is because it
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had a bunch of different pictures. It had asteroids. It had Superman.
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It had combat. It had breakaway. All those on there.
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Yeah. I don't think that one. I think the one that I had had a,
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I want to say it was Senate Beat on the cover.
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And when Pac-Man came out, I remember they had a big thing on Pac-Man.
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And I, you know, in one of our previous episodes, we talked about that one.
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God, that game sucked on the 2600.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was freaking disappointed on that freaking game, man.
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Now, do you know how many issues existed for Atari H? 12.
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Close, 11. Yep. 11. I know there wasn't that many. I know there wasn't that
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many because we got the letter saying, hey, this is our final issue. And I was like, what?
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Well, I was upset because I paid for an entire year and I didn't get 12 issues.
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Oh, yeah. What do you do in that situation back then? You probably can't do
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anything, huh? Well, you're going to sue Atari? They already went bankrupt, man.
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What are you going to do? That's right. So with Atari age, you know,
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it's one of those – they didn't really – to me, they didn't do a lot for the
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gaming magazine world. but they did do a lot in the sense that it was like that packet, right?
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Like the solo magazine for your game system that you loved, right?
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Now the first one, if people don't know this, it isn't actually Atari.
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It was actually a Japanese one called Family Computer Magazine. Ooh.
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That was technically in 1985, but this was actually a full-blown magazine.
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Not like Atari, where it was like... Because Atari wasn't like that many pages,
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right? Where a full computer magazine is a full...
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Magazine and that was beginning 1995 and it was solely focused on i'm sure you
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know nintendo family the famicom yeah yeah and now do you do you have that i are not,
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no in fact i don't have i don't have i think i might have one nintendo power
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issue but i was i wasn't a nintendo kid growing up i was i was definitely atari
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and then after that i got real
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huge in the Sega, but I never really did the Nintendo magazines.
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And then later on, I don't want to jump too far ahead, but just real quick.
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Later on, when Nintendo Power came out, I used to read their reviews and they
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were just way too biased, man.
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And I get it. You're trying to push your product, but this is not Nintendo.
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Sega's was like that. Atari's was like that, too. They're rating the stuff like
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super high. And then you get the game. You're like, God, this game.
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No way. like they'd rated you know eight out of ten
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and i was like dude i'll give that game maybe a five you know
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it was just like it was just a bunch of fanboys
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and yeah just uh just really biased
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and i'm glad later on that the uh multi-platform
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magazines came out and kind of shot you straight for a
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little while but you could tell even later on they got biased oh
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for sure and we'll touch in more about nintendo power because i would love to
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say about some power as well so i just want to talk about more of the early
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days first because i feel like how many people are talking about this subject
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and how many people are talking like when i'm sure most podcasts do not reference
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you know atari age or maybe atari age but definitely not family computer magazine.
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After that after that time era we go early on you
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said that there was another magazine that you were into was it
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was it the eight it was it i'm trying
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to say this wrong remember that company asc2 yeah
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ascii yeah i call it ascii yeah okay they
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had a magazine called login do you know about that one or no
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no never never knew about that one no okay we
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don't have to get into that one too much because that's just all the ascii products
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which i don't not really too familiar what about their products are do you know
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what their products are or could you speak confidently about that or not well
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ask yeah i know ascii more was
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at the time that i knew them they made more like peripherals for games.
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Gotcha. So there was more like, you know, controllers, fight sticks later on.
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You know, different kind of little one-off add-ons for consoles,
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but I never knew them for a magazine at all.
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Gotcha, gotcha. Okay, well, let's keep going. We're in the mid-'80s now.
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What's something that stands out to you magazine-wise?
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For the mid-'80s, I mean, I got to say EGM was huge. Was that the—huh?
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EGM was the 80s? Yeah, I want to say—well, I don't want to say mid-'80s.
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I think it was probably the late 80s. So if mid 80s for me was was probably
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Sega's magazine, Sega, Sega Visions.
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All right. Definitely down to now and then, because I know you got a lot to
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say about that. Yeah, I got a lot of Sega Visions.
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I really love there because, again, the master system at the time wasn't,
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you know, very popular at all.
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So when you saw something that reviewed something that that you had that you
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liked, it was like something to grab onto.
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To you know what i mean so i was like oh my god it's got afterburner on the
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cover you know i still have mine afterburner shinobi was on the cover there's
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one like you know and you can order stuff you can order like posters so i still
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have my posters of like afterburner and space harrier and all that stuff on
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there and it was like really cool that there was a magazine dedicated to.
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A console and the games that i like the games that
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i played in the arcades the games that i have at
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home that weren't as popular because everybody at that
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time you know it had was on nes man everybody
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had nes and and you know everything was all mario and and
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luigi and yoshi and princess and peach
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and all that and i was yeah i was more you
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know of you know alex kid a miracle world and and and psycho fox and wonder
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boy monster land all that kind of stuff so to find a magazine that covered that
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and again they were biased as well don't get me wrong but it was just really
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cool to have that and read about it and they had a buyer's guide in there and
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And that's where I got some of my games, too.
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Because, again, you couldn't just go into a store and say, hey,
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where's your, you know, Master System collection? They would look at you like you're freaking nuts.
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Yeah. For sure. Really fond memories of that one, man.
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And I remember marking off, because they would have the games list, like, hey, released.
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And they had all the game releases that were out. It was maybe 28 games.
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And I would check them off and I would put, you know, mastered.
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I remember I used to go, when I finished a game, I would call it that I mastered
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it. And so I would check them off and I would literally go down the line and
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like, hey, what game is next and save up my money to go get that game.
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But yeah, really fond memories of Sega Visions, man.
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So I just want to make sure we always are 100% on this show.
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And so we were actually wrong about the year it came out.
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Sega Visions came out in 1990. No way. It came out in 1990 and then EGM came out in 1988.
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88 yeah so late 80s so i was pretty close on that one yeah for sure but i just
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wanted to make sure it was like oh well that's the 90s i didn't realize that
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came out so so wait so here's some you know what now i think about it yeah you're
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right because now i think about it,
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there was a magazine that sega did but it was probably more of a buyer's guide
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but it was kind of a magazine and it was before big visions dude i can't remember
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what it was called and i know i
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have a couple of copies of that okay okay but you can find that let me know
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or post it and we'll tag it in there yeah i'll figure it out but here's a little
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some fun facts about this really quickly when do you think it the final issue
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came out what year for what for segavisions.
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95 perfect yep 95 total 25 issues and it finished in september 1995 Do you know
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who took over the magazine in 1992?
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I don't. So originally it was a Sega brand thing, then it was published by the
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Commune group, but then it was taken over by the International Data Group,
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who also published GamePro. Oh, wow.
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And can you name, a little trivia here, can you name the comic book character
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that was a part of Sega Visions?
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Oh, yeah.
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I'll just give you a hint real quick Cause it wasn't It wasn't Sonic No,
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so here's the hint, okay He was a teenage boy Miles Close, very close,
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very close, change the letter.
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Niles niles that's
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right yeah i was close though i knew it yeah yeah yeah niles
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his name was niles nemo yes
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nemo yes you're right yep i remember that
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man i was close i was close yeah i give you that and
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he was a boy who wore glasses sunglasses and he
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loved people and everything sega so he was
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a quintessential 90s 90s kid at that point yeah i
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remember that dude i i have that yeah so i was close
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i remember that was miles but yeah you're right it is now yep awesome
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and one last little trivia for you because i think this is kind of fun do you
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remember what was on the cover of the first issue sigavisions yes sir for sure
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i want to say shinobi was number two well technically Secondly,
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you'd be right. It's also in number one. It's multiple characters.
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Okay, so Shinobi, Afterburner, Outrun. Oh, no, no. No. Wow.
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Surprisingly, from what I see, it's not really Sega exclusives.
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I mean, I guess, well, it might have been. I might be misremembering, but I guess.
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Which one? Space Harrier? Nope. Strider? Nope.
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Oh, Mickey Mouse.
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Nope. I'm going to tell you. Do you remember? So Shinobi's right. That one is right.
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The next one, I'm going to go in order in which I see it. You're going up or
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to the left. It's basically like a... So let me explain the cover to people.
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It's a silver cover. So it's Sega Vision in the Sega font. In the center of
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the cover, you're going to see a brick wall and like a magazine breaking open.
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It's very 90s. It's like a graffiti. I have that. Thank you. Golden Axe.
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Golden Axe is in there too. Yes. I remember that, dude. Joe Montana football.
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Yep. There you go. It's coming back to you. I have this one,
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yes I have this It's very 90's, very Street Fighter-esque Was it Eternal Champions on there too?
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I believe so I believe that's the one I can't make out Yep I have that one You
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still got three more Oh shit.
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Come on big dog, I know you got this Oh my god This is hard A Phantasy Star?
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No, not Phantasy Star Shining Force 3. So actually, I think that's what that
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is instead of... Oh, wait, hold on. King Chameleon. Nope. No!
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The other three, I'll give you hints, are other IPs. They're other licenses.
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Wonder Boy? Rampage. No.
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All right. I can't sit here and have you guessing, so I'm just going to give
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you one more. Rambo! I give up.
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The other three that you're missing, I won't go with from left to right from
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how I see it. Left is going to be Michael Jackson's Moonwalker. Of course.
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Number two is going to be, it doesn't specify which one, but it's the Ghostbusters emblem.
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So I think just the, I don't know what it says came out in 1990,
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but that would have been the Master System one, I think, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Master System was the 90, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Which,
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by the way, is garbage. I did not like that game at all.
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Whoa. Oh, coming from Ghostbuster209.
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Don't say that, dude. Come on. Hey, if everybody wants to know,
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Uncle Dad's email used to be Ghostbuster209.
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Okay, thank you. At least you didn't say the ad. Thank you. No,
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I'm not going to do that. Because I know you still use it.
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Yeah, I still use it. That's how I'm being mic-taught.
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You've seen your resume then.
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Exactly. So the last one, and actually, I bet you if you have this issue,
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it's probably worth even more because of this particular character,
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because I'm pretty sure I know the art.
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It's Spider-Man. Yeah. I have this issue.
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Because it's got the silver grid, right? It has like a grid in the back.
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Yep. Yeah, I have that one.
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Awesome, dude. I love it. Yeah, so that's Sega Visions.
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And let's just do a quick little look. How much do you think that's selling for on eBay right now?
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$100. Really? I think it'd be more. I haven't looked yet. So,
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oh, I guess we're both wrong. It's averaging about 50 bucks.
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Yeah. Nah, it shouldn't be that much.
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But yeah, going back to Spider-Man. So the Spider-Man, and we talked about this
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in another episode too, if you play the original version of Revenge of Shinobi,
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because they made, I think, three or four different variations of it.
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But the original version of Revenge of Shinobi has a bunch of characters that
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they had to change because of the lawsuits.
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Suits so they actually have the terminator
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in that game they have rambo in that
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game they have spider-man they have
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batman and they have godzilla whoa i
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just replayed it i just replayed it a couple days ago no joke because i was
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just going through my games i was like yeah i kind of kind of i'm ready for
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like a new shinobi game hopefully you know i'm getting excited about the new
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one that's coming out uh eventually and i popped in revenge shinobi and i have
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the original one and And I was telling my girlfriend, I was like,
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hey, come check this out.
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I'm fighting Spider-Man. And she's like, what the hell? And I was like,
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yeah. And there's no trademark or anything in the very first cartridge.
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They didn't put that in until the second variation.
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And then by the third variation, they had to change Batman to a gargoyle.
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They changed Godzilla to, they just changed his look a little bit.
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And they changed Spider-Man to... God, I forgot exactly what he was.
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He kind of morphed a little bit. It was completely different colors. It was a trip.
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And then Rambo, when you're playing the game, he's not a boss,
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but he's in the middle of the game.
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But they took away the red bandana, changed the color of his skin,
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so he's a lot more brighter.
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I think they gave him a flat top. They gave him hair. And then.
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Was although in terminator they got rid
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of his like red eye that you can tell but
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when you're starting to starting to kill him he's starting to get
436
00:28:47,243 --> 00:28:50,083
beat up or whatever he and his his flesh comes off
437
00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:53,083
and he turns into a robot they kind of changed him up a little bit not as much
438
00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:55,783
as the rest but but yeah the original one had all
439
00:28:55,783 --> 00:28:58,683
those characters in it man it's a trip that's funny man
440
00:28:58,683 --> 00:29:01,263
all right so since we're in that same era that's we
441
00:29:01,263 --> 00:29:04,263
gotta talk about the the heavy hitter electric gaming monthly
442
00:29:04,263 --> 00:29:07,423
when that was probably one of the magazines right that was like i've been
443
00:29:07,423 --> 00:29:10,623
reading that too like i mean it lasted for so long and believe
444
00:29:10,623 --> 00:29:13,543
it or not it's technically still running but only as an online
445
00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:17,383
only thing now uh and it was re-read in 2019 so
446
00:29:17,383 --> 00:29:20,563
it's not the same but but it's still around now you
447
00:29:20,563 --> 00:29:23,283
know i'll dive into my thoughts but please you know you
448
00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:26,923
were there probably from the beginning so what does that game magazine mean
449
00:29:26,923 --> 00:29:29,743
to you i mean it must have been something big right yeah it was something big
450
00:29:29,743 --> 00:29:35,023
because they were the first magazine that i know of that really delved into
451
00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:41,343
categories so they had your platformers you know that platformer section.
452
00:29:41,923 --> 00:29:46,923
They had they talked about the shmups and they and they went they were the first
453
00:29:46,923 --> 00:29:51,023
ones to kind of like talk about import games like overseas games like this is
454
00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:52,503
what's hot in japan right now,
455
00:29:53,023 --> 00:29:55,723
wait for our audience can you tell them what a shmup says because they
456
00:29:55,723 --> 00:29:58,783
want to know what that is shmups it's a shoot them up so uh arcade shoot
457
00:29:58,783 --> 00:30:01,403
them up stuff like like raiden i'm not to talk about the
458
00:30:01,403 --> 00:30:04,383
mortal combat rating like the raiden shooting games ray force
459
00:30:04,383 --> 00:30:07,583
uh light lightning force
460
00:30:07,583 --> 00:30:14,423
darius darius guidance you know stuff like that so just like like a like a space
461
00:30:14,423 --> 00:30:18,943
shooter usually vertical shooters were the were the big ones our type our type
462
00:30:18,943 --> 00:30:23,043
is a shoot them up and it doesn't always have to be like a like a space vessel
463
00:30:23,043 --> 00:30:26,703
shooting and there's other shoot -em-ups, you know, that used.
464
00:30:28,083 --> 00:30:31,143
Characters, like stuff like Commando or Heavy Barrel.
465
00:30:31,143 --> 00:30:33,863
Those can be considered a shoot-em-up, too.
466
00:30:33,923 --> 00:30:38,103
But you're essentially just shooting bullets, and then later on came the bullet
467
00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:41,663
hell that we all know of, like Gunbird and all that stuff. But.
468
00:30:42,659 --> 00:30:47,359
Yeah, so they had shoot-em-ups, but I was really interested in the import scene,
469
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:52,499
man, and what was big in Japan, because that catered more to me and to my likes,
470
00:30:52,699 --> 00:30:54,919
because I was a big arcade rat.
471
00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,719
So that stuff coming out, yeah, EGM was one of the only and very few that covered
472
00:31:00,719 --> 00:31:04,479
that stuff for a while, because everything else was, oh, this is released in
473
00:31:04,479 --> 00:31:05,879
the States, this is released in the States.
474
00:31:05,879 --> 00:31:12,299
And I just remember that whole section, man, of the import scene and the arcade
475
00:31:12,299 --> 00:31:13,839
scene. They cover arcade stuff too.
476
00:31:13,999 --> 00:31:17,099
So I was really interested in that and coming soon.
477
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:22,759
And I think they were the first magazine to actually publish the codes,
478
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,079
like the cheat section. And I forgot what they called it.
479
00:31:25,579 --> 00:31:28,759
Yeah, I have it right here. Give me a second. While you think about it,
480
00:31:28,779 --> 00:31:29,759
I remember I had it right here.
481
00:31:29,979 --> 00:31:32,479
I don't want to call it the code zone or something like that,
482
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:33,679
but it was something like that
483
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,639
where they had all the codes that you could put in these games to cheat.
484
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,059
I think it was the first time they printed the actual official Konami code.
485
00:31:40,219 --> 00:31:41,419
I think it was in that magazine.
486
00:31:41,959 --> 00:31:45,419
Oh, really? I think so. Yeah, that I did not know.
487
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:51,319
So let's do some facts here for you. So what do you think the first issue,
488
00:31:51,439 --> 00:31:54,699
who the cover was? What was on the cover, you think? The BGM?
489
00:31:55,499 --> 00:32:00,619
BGM 1. Mega Man? Mega Man 2, yeah. Yep, I have that one.
490
00:32:01,199 --> 00:32:04,599
Now that issue goes for a lot more money. It sells for about $300.
491
00:32:05,259 --> 00:32:09,899
Oh, well, I'll sell it to you right now for $400. Because I totally care.
492
00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:17,619
But with EGM, before social media was social media,
493
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:22,959
I don't know if you felt this way, but I felt like the editors,
494
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,659
I guess you call them, or the writers, they were almost mini influencers before that was a thing.
495
00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:33,199
Absolutely. Some of those guys were gods. And you would you would I would follow
496
00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:37,599
certain ones because they had the same taste that I did.
497
00:32:38,379 --> 00:32:41,599
So at the end of the at the end of the magazine, they would have the reviews
498
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:45,419
of what they thought, you know, in their top 10 or whatever for the for the week for the.
499
00:32:45,439 --> 00:32:49,799
Well, they said the top 10 for the month, but they would have reviews like there.
500
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:51,559
You know, they would each cover a game.
501
00:32:51,899 --> 00:32:56,239
And I remember just finding the one that I kind of connected with.
502
00:32:56,299 --> 00:32:58,239
And I will always read the reviews, man.
503
00:32:59,199 --> 00:33:04,179
Yeah for sure i mean for me a lot of people i remember during my era of reading
504
00:33:04,179 --> 00:33:07,719
that magazine which would have been like the late 90s early 2000s would have
505
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:11,319
been everybody talked about sean baby you know i'm sure you remember sean baby
506
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:13,899
right yeah i remember sean baby mine mine was.
507
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:18,829
Oh, man, I can't remember. I can't remember my guy. Shit.
508
00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:23,329
I can't remember his name, dude. If you said it, it would come to me.
509
00:33:23,429 --> 00:33:25,649
But let me think about it for a while.
510
00:33:25,809 --> 00:33:31,949
It will definitely come to me in a little bit. But, yeah, I love that magazine, man, for a while.
511
00:33:32,609 --> 00:33:36,269
Yeah, and another thing that they did kind of first before other magazines did,
512
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:40,189
and we'll talk about that magazine later, is they also did an April Fool's variant
513
00:33:40,189 --> 00:33:46,249
of the series. and the biggest one that they were known for was for Street Fighter 2, The World Warrior.
514
00:33:46,629 --> 00:33:49,109
I know. Yeah.
515
00:33:51,589 --> 00:33:56,329
I know Shang Long, dude. Dude, before the internet? I mean, come on.
516
00:33:58,109 --> 00:34:02,209
That Shang Long was legendary, man, because we would go to arcades like,
517
00:34:02,289 --> 00:34:04,489
oh, I know how to unlock Shang Long. And I was like, that's bullshit.
518
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:08,869
But didn't they bring Shang Long in the latest Street Fighter?
519
00:34:09,309 --> 00:34:12,969
Oh, I have no idea. I have no idea. I think they actually made him.
520
00:34:13,569 --> 00:34:15,009
That's kind of cool. That's kind of cool.
521
00:34:15,709 --> 00:34:19,089
So let's talk about Game of the Year. These magazines also were very big in
522
00:34:19,089 --> 00:34:22,669
that too, right? We were always excited to know what the Game of the Year was, right?
523
00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:28,709
And the first year that it was published was 1988. What do you think they picked
524
00:34:28,709 --> 00:34:30,269
as the Game of the Year of 1988?
525
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:36,529
Ooh, it's got to be something Nintendo. What came out in 88?
526
00:34:38,189 --> 00:34:42,669
I mean you were there Was it a Final Fantasy game?
527
00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:47,929
No When did Chrono Cross come out? That didn't come out until later That was nice,
528
00:34:49,528 --> 00:34:54,428
God, man. 1988. I'll give you a hint. It's a beat-em-up. Oh.
529
00:34:56,288 --> 00:34:59,308
It's gotta be Final Fight. You think so?
530
00:35:01,308 --> 00:35:07,468
Final Fight. Because I don't think Streets of Rage was out at the time. Okay.
531
00:35:08,108 --> 00:35:10,448
You're wrong. Don't tell me bad dudes.
532
00:35:11,728 --> 00:35:14,708
I wish. Don't tell me bad dudes.
533
00:35:14,828 --> 00:35:19,468
It wasn't Vigilante, was it? Or Renegade? was it renegade nope it was,
534
00:35:20,668 --> 00:35:25,428
arguably a classic in its own right double dragon okay yeah I'd go with that hell yeah,
535
00:35:26,468 --> 00:35:28,608
let's just kind of I'm not going to run through them all because there's too
536
00:35:28,608 --> 00:35:36,268
many I'm going to pick a random year that's 95 what do you think the game of the year was um 95,
537
00:35:38,188 --> 00:35:41,168
and for those at home feel free to play along think about it what do you think
538
00:35:41,168 --> 00:35:47,008
it is um 90 Mortal Kombat 2.
539
00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:49,968
No. Are you ready? It is.
540
00:35:50,788 --> 00:35:55,188
Twisted Metal. Twisted Metal came out in... I guess I did.
541
00:35:56,208 --> 00:35:58,208
Yeah, because PlayStation 1. Yep.
542
00:35:59,828 --> 00:36:05,048
Let's go down to the new millennia. The year 2000.
543
00:36:05,548 --> 00:36:07,888
What do you think the year 2000 was?
544
00:36:08,608 --> 00:36:15,308
That was the biggest game in 2000. I realized this game in 2000.
545
00:36:16,328 --> 00:36:20,648
I feel it had an awesome soundtrack. It did. You're right.
546
00:36:22,044 --> 00:36:34,004
Philly was sports your club very close and i feel it was made by a team called never soft,
547
00:36:34,544 --> 00:36:37,924
did you look that up or did you know that no i know this one i know this one
548
00:36:37,924 --> 00:36:42,124
that was tony hop two tony hop prosciutto two but you know what though i don't
549
00:36:42,124 --> 00:36:46,064
know if i agree with that but also i understand the impact that game had right
550
00:36:46,064 --> 00:36:49,044
like that game that game was everywhere
551
00:36:49,364 --> 00:36:52,524
every anybody who played games played that damn game
552
00:36:52,524 --> 00:36:55,284
yeah it didn't matter if you were a sports guy it didn't
553
00:36:55,284 --> 00:36:58,284
matter if you were a skateboarding guy if you just wanted to
554
00:36:58,284 --> 00:37:01,464
play a game that you could socially connect with somebody with dude
555
00:37:01,464 --> 00:37:08,364
that was the game that was the madden madden yeah uh tony pro skater 2 for sure
556
00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:13,184
blew up and i agree with you i i don't know i don't know the games that came
557
00:37:13,184 --> 00:37:19,664
out in 2000 off the top of my head yeah i'm sure there's Halo was a one.
558
00:37:20,704 --> 00:37:26,104
So, yeah. But I think Tony Hawk 1 was the game changer, man.
559
00:37:26,944 --> 00:37:31,204
Oh, of course. But I think 2 had the... Yeah, exactly.
560
00:37:31,464 --> 00:37:35,684
They killed it, right? Like, they added everything you needed for that game to be great.
561
00:37:35,904 --> 00:37:40,984
Yep. All right. So let's go down 10 more years. 2010.
562
00:37:41,464 --> 00:37:45,864
EDM's Game of the Year for 2010. What do you think? 2010.
563
00:37:48,524 --> 00:37:51,644
And 2010, that wasn't ground to the ground.
564
00:37:51,764 --> 00:37:55,324
In fact, for those who have been listening to this show, at this point,
565
00:37:55,324 --> 00:37:58,504
you and I are working together at a gaming retail store.
566
00:37:58,984 --> 00:38:01,684
So I was with you when we did a midnight launch for this game.
567
00:38:02,404 --> 00:38:06,684
Well, we did a bunch of them. Sure, yeah. Can you give me the genre?
568
00:38:08,019 --> 00:38:11,239
Say, if I say, I'll say OpenWorld. That's the best way I can do it.
569
00:38:12,099 --> 00:38:15,419
I'll say Corent. It wasn't Corent because Corent came out, I think,
570
00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:19,079
in 07-08. And I'll tell you this, you're near the ballpark.
571
00:38:20,259 --> 00:38:23,179
Red Dead Redemption. There it is, yep, Red Dead Redemption.
572
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:29,479
And I remember, I remember that with working that with you, and I remember giving
573
00:38:29,479 --> 00:38:31,319
that game, not giving it away, but selling it.
574
00:38:31,459 --> 00:38:36,899
And I'll never forget that it came in this really cool little velvety red slipcase,
575
00:38:37,099 --> 00:38:40,079
and now I'm sure some people still have it.
576
00:38:40,099 --> 00:38:42,719
I'm sure you have it, but so many people do not have that slipcase.
577
00:38:43,019 --> 00:38:44,959
Because remember, it came out as a special edition.
578
00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:48,499
You know what I still have for my Red Dead Redemption? I do have the slipcase.
579
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,019
You know what I still got for Red Dead Redemption? The first one? What's that?
580
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:56,779
I still have the dominoes. Oh, I remember that. I remember that.
581
00:38:56,819 --> 00:38:58,719
Wow. It came in a little wooden box.
582
00:38:59,479 --> 00:39:03,479
Yeah, I do remember that. I still have that. But I don't think that was a pre-order
583
00:39:03,479 --> 00:39:05,279
bonus, right? That was just if you worked there, right?
584
00:39:05,419 --> 00:39:08,559
Yeah, you're right. Right. It was a retail, what do they call it,
585
00:39:08,579 --> 00:39:13,799
retail sales pack, like marketing, whatever.
586
00:39:14,259 --> 00:39:16,359
Yeah, but I still have those, dude. They're red.
587
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:22,319
Awesome. That's super cool. And of course, at that point, the magazine was starting to fade off.
588
00:39:22,439 --> 00:39:26,459
It got shut down in 2014, but there was a weird reboot of it online.
589
00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:31,559
Now it's still running. So 2022, on the online version of EGM,
590
00:39:31,799 --> 00:39:33,179
what do you think is game of the year?
591
00:39:35,179 --> 00:39:42,019
2022 so this is only a couple years back what got the biggest hype god man it's
592
00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:45,659
not I still remember how big this hype this game was,
593
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,019
I want to say Ghost of Tsushima but it wasn't Ghost of Tsushima was before that
594
00:39:51,019 --> 00:39:55,799
it wasn't The Last of Us 2 that was before that I'm going to go with,
595
00:39:56,779 --> 00:40:00,159
dude everybody's on the thumb software kick so I'm going to go with Elden Ring
596
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,959
there it is baby No way, dude.
597
00:40:04,459 --> 00:40:07,459
No way. Yeah, Elden Ring, yep.
598
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,399
Yeah, Elden Ring was 2022 EGM Game of the Year. Now, I'm sorry,
599
00:40:11,499 --> 00:40:14,059
everybody, if we went too much into that, but there's just so much that EGM
600
00:40:14,059 --> 00:40:17,559
offered because it was one of the most popular, most long-running magazines
601
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:22,099
out there, and I know you agree with that. Yes, and they had EGM 2.
602
00:40:22,779 --> 00:40:25,499
They did have EGM 2, that's right. Yeah, one of their magazines had a secret.
603
00:40:26,139 --> 00:40:30,339
Yeah, yeah, one of their magazines, exactly. EGM 2, I was like, what the hell is this?
604
00:40:30,339 --> 00:40:37,019
And I remember who the artist Shu Han Shu or whatever was like the artist Dan
605
00:40:37,019 --> 00:40:43,059
Shu Dan Shu there you go Dan Shu was like the artist yeah yeah I remember that he was dope and here's a.
606
00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:47,363
Fact no it wasn't the egm it was game
607
00:40:47,363 --> 00:40:50,543
pro we'll wait till we talk about game pro okay well
608
00:40:50,543 --> 00:40:53,263
that's going to be next because when i think about we kind of left
609
00:40:53,263 --> 00:40:56,503
the 80s right we're going down the 90s we'll
610
00:40:56,503 --> 00:40:59,803
get to nintendo power but i remember game pro
611
00:40:59,803 --> 00:41:02,943
also being like a huge one for me like i'm
612
00:41:02,943 --> 00:41:05,723
sure you agree too like i there was three magazines in
613
00:41:05,723 --> 00:41:08,863
my opinion in the mid 90s to 2000s that were the one for me
614
00:41:08,863 --> 00:41:12,283
at least it was egm game pro and
615
00:41:12,283 --> 00:41:15,043
nintendo power yeah but but i
616
00:41:15,043 --> 00:41:17,643
wouldn't count a ton of power because it was just exclusive for it so if one that
617
00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:23,143
did all gaming then i would say game performer and i think we can't you know
618
00:41:23,143 --> 00:41:26,903
we have to talk about those four i think you know clearly you and i have more
619
00:41:26,903 --> 00:41:30,063
talk about magazines than we realized so i don't want to spend too much time
620
00:41:30,063 --> 00:41:34,003
on everything but let's talk about game pro first game pro what was your memory
621
00:41:34,003 --> 00:41:37,183
of it and And do you think how much different to you was it?
622
00:41:37,183 --> 00:41:39,583
How different from EGM was it to you?
623
00:41:40,763 --> 00:41:47,263
It was more visual. I remember getting my first game pro because I got it free, man.
624
00:41:47,383 --> 00:41:52,003
I want to say it was packed in with my, I want to say it was my,
625
00:41:52,043 --> 00:41:54,343
was it my Sega Saturn or my Nintendo 64?
626
00:41:54,543 --> 00:41:57,883
I forgot what it was, but I got a free, I got a free issue of it.
627
00:41:58,623 --> 00:42:01,823
And after that, I just started, you know, going and buying. At that time,
628
00:42:01,863 --> 00:42:06,563
Barnes & Noble, I think I was working at the mall at that time,
629
00:42:06,623 --> 00:42:11,283
and they had, I forgot, the Walden Books, I think it was, and they had the GamePro magazine.
630
00:42:11,423 --> 00:42:15,323
So I would check them out. And I thought they had really good illustrations and stuff.
631
00:42:16,043 --> 00:42:23,663
I thought that the writing at EGM was deeper and more sophisticated by far. But I liked GamePro.
632
00:42:24,343 --> 00:42:30,923
It was an easy read. I agree. Yeah, and I think it celebrated the games more.
633
00:42:31,323 --> 00:42:36,343
Whereas I think EGM kind of, they did the details more, but GamePro was more
634
00:42:36,343 --> 00:42:38,063
about all the fun of it, you know?
635
00:42:38,443 --> 00:42:42,543
And they just made it fun. And I liked it. I liked EGM. I want to say...
636
00:42:43,857 --> 00:42:54,757
And I want to say EGM because I remember some friends that told me they're from the Bay Area.
637
00:42:55,057 --> 00:42:57,677
And they're telling me the GamePro headquarters was up there.
638
00:42:57,737 --> 00:43:01,097
I want to say they were in Oakland, California.
639
00:43:01,677 --> 00:43:05,257
So I live in Northern California. So I remember it was like Oakland.
640
00:43:05,577 --> 00:43:07,597
And then GamePro just blew up.
641
00:43:08,277 --> 00:43:14,617
But I remember fondly of that magazine. And I have a lot of issues of that one.
642
00:43:14,677 --> 00:43:20,557
I do have their first one because I remember it was a bunch of generic art,
643
00:43:20,657 --> 00:43:23,497
but you knew who the characters were.
644
00:43:23,777 --> 00:43:25,777
You knew who the games were, yeah. Exactly.
645
00:43:26,877 --> 00:43:29,757
So really quickly, I'm glad you brought up where they're from.
646
00:43:30,097 --> 00:43:33,157
As those who listen to Uncle Dad Talks, they know that me and Mike are based
647
00:43:33,157 --> 00:43:35,877
in North Carolina. Not Northern California as well.
648
00:43:36,437 --> 00:43:39,877
He's out in Sacramento and I'm in the Bay Area. and funny
649
00:43:39,877 --> 00:43:42,857
enough you you are technically right but you're technically
650
00:43:42,857 --> 00:43:47,277
wrong at the same time so they went to exactly yeah
651
00:43:47,277 --> 00:43:52,137
so they went to three bay area cities they started in redwood city from 1989
652
00:43:52,137 --> 00:43:59,397
to 1991 then they went to san mateo from 1991 to 1998 and then go from 98 to
653
00:43:59,397 --> 00:44:04,097
2002 and then very much to the end of their their lifespan which i don't have
654
00:44:04,097 --> 00:44:06,537
it or it was in Oakland, yeah. Yeah, it was 4-6.
655
00:44:06,737 --> 00:44:09,497
It was Oakland, yeah. Hey, keep her rent, man.
656
00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:12,397
Especially at that time, I'm sure.
657
00:44:14,677 --> 00:44:18,577
So, yeah, let's talk about GamePro. So, GamePro, you brought up the cover.
658
00:44:19,057 --> 00:44:22,437
You're right. It looks like the cover. It looks like maybe like a Joe Montana.
659
00:44:22,857 --> 00:44:27,577
It has a star on the football player, so maybe it's like a generic Dallas Cowboy.
660
00:44:27,777 --> 00:44:30,817
But the colors, to me, look more Oilers. Remember the Oilers?
661
00:44:31,397 --> 00:44:35,777
Oh, yeah, dude. I got hella Oilers. I love the OG Oilers. I'm not a Houston
662
00:44:35,777 --> 00:44:39,157
fan, or they're a fan of all, more of a Moon fan for sure. Yeah.
663
00:44:40,221 --> 00:44:43,281
Love the oilers colors dude i think they had some of the some of the the best
664
00:44:43,281 --> 00:44:46,441
uniforms man they're white with a with a
665
00:44:46,441 --> 00:44:49,121
baby blue and the little red pinstripe you know
666
00:44:49,121 --> 00:44:53,721
outline on them dude those were dope i have hella oiler hats man but i remember
667
00:44:53,721 --> 00:45:00,321
i remember it having like a generic like golden axe dude on it say that yeah
668
00:45:00,321 --> 00:45:03,521
i mean he's like a little like like golden axe but like what do you call it
669
00:45:03,521 --> 00:45:06,641
like a barbarian like a generic barbarian yeah yeah but you could tell No,
670
00:45:06,641 --> 00:45:10,861
it was basically a Golden Axe character, I think. Yeah.
671
00:45:11,061 --> 00:45:15,401
Because he definitely wasn't Arthur. You know, he wasn't.
672
00:45:16,501 --> 00:45:21,421
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looked like a Tom Selleck. Yeah, so he looks like the guy
673
00:45:21,421 --> 00:45:26,941
you're talking about looks like Tom Selleck was hired to play the lead character in a contra movie.
674
00:45:28,341 --> 00:45:30,941
I got to look up this cover. Hold on, dude. Hold on real quick.
675
00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:31,761
I need to look at this cover.
676
00:45:33,641 --> 00:45:36,321
Oh, dude. That's freaking Snake Plissken, bro.
677
00:45:41,761 --> 00:45:47,381
I'm selling mustache right yeah oh for sure dude hell yeah oh that's funny uh
678
00:45:47,381 --> 00:45:50,641
so yeah let's talk more about game pro so game pro you know kind of went they
679
00:45:50,641 --> 00:45:55,681
started in 1989 they lost that when do you think the final issue came out god
680
00:45:55,681 --> 00:46:00,281
quickly though they didn't last as long as egm because EGM technically still runs.
681
00:46:01,401 --> 00:46:06,441
Game Pro's not even digital? No. Oh, man. And they started 89?
682
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:13,370
Was 95 uh no
683
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:18,370
come on okay uh 2005 uh
684
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:21,730
last issue came out winter 2011 uh
685
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:25,070
magazine and the website was defunct 2011 oh
686
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:28,050
man yeah it was known for its pro tips which
687
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:31,210
i remember a lot yeah uh which was you know how to how to do certain things
688
00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:34,990
right they also had secret codes just like they called it the code vault wow
689
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:37,910
so when i talked about egm i said i don't know if it was code corner or some
690
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:42,010
of that code vault that's what i'm thinking about yes and then they would sell
691
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:45,610
that in a separate issue game pro presents code vault yeah do you remember that
692
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:47,510
yep cheat the cheat magazine yeah,
693
00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:51,370
yep yep and then you know with with them
694
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:54,130
they kind of like you know same thing as egm they have their whole little like
695
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:57,510
sections and whatever but i'm looking for if we
696
00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:00,410
have any game of the year nominations on here
697
00:47:00,410 --> 00:47:03,190
no they don't but they also made from 2003 to
698
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:07,850
2007 2007 game pro international and it went into australia australia there
699
00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:14,330
was an australian game pro and uh that ran for 2003 2007 so there you go and
700
00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:19,810
let's see game pro mate they all what did you say i said game pro mate oh they
701
00:47:19,810 --> 00:47:20,770
should just call it game mate,
702
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:27,290
you know how to make a really good uh australian accent how just say razor blades.
703
00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:32,930
Razor blades razor blades that's funny,
704
00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:39,910
and GamePro also did what EGM kind of started was the April Fool's Day issues
705
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:48,150
or satirical parts and they call theirs Lame Bro and their rating scale was
706
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:52,210
only to 5 right it was only to 5 it was only like 5 little heads do you remember that?
707
00:47:52,310 --> 00:48:01,470
Yeah but I definitely remember Lame Pro because wasn't on Lame Pro.
708
00:48:03,312 --> 00:48:06,512
I mean, so really quickly, audience doesn't know these, these satirical ones
709
00:48:06,512 --> 00:48:11,452
that we're talking about are basically a two to five page little excerpt inside the magazine.
710
00:48:11,712 --> 00:48:14,792
That's like a second magazine in the magazine, but it's all jokes,
711
00:48:14,852 --> 00:48:18,872
right? It's all like a, almost like a mad magazine of gaming inside your magazine.
712
00:48:19,652 --> 00:48:24,692
Yeah. I, were they, were they the one that, that released president evil?
713
00:48:25,392 --> 00:48:27,552
I don't remember. I think it was them.
714
00:48:29,132 --> 00:48:34,372
I think it was them that, that president. And I remember because I was I was
715
00:48:34,372 --> 00:48:38,092
kind of in the industry at the time lightly.
716
00:48:38,652 --> 00:48:42,912
But I remember people asking me about like some of these games.
717
00:48:43,012 --> 00:48:45,052
I'm like, dude, that don't exist. That's a joke, bro.
718
00:48:45,432 --> 00:48:48,052
Like it's an April Fool's. No, man, look right here. I'm like,
719
00:48:48,132 --> 00:48:52,812
that's a that's a joke. It's April Fool's joke, man. Like these games don't exist, man.
720
00:48:52,932 --> 00:48:58,292
And I remember President Evil and it had and it had freaking it was a it was
721
00:48:58,292 --> 00:49:02,512
a it was a morbid picture of Abraham Lincoln.
722
00:49:03,412 --> 00:49:07,452
And I don't know if that was GamePro, but I kind of think it was.
723
00:49:08,272 --> 00:49:10,752
I'm trying to find it online. I can't seem to find anything.
724
00:49:11,032 --> 00:49:15,692
But hey, anybody listening, if you guys have that issue and you have that excerpt,
725
00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:20,632
please send that to me on Instagram at UncleDadTalks or at RetroGamingNomad.
726
00:49:20,772 --> 00:49:22,772
We would love to see that, right? Yeah, man.
727
00:49:22,932 --> 00:49:25,572
I remember when GamePro, that was hella funny.
728
00:49:26,232 --> 00:49:29,312
That's funny. All right, so let's keep it going after GamePro.
729
00:49:29,492 --> 00:49:33,012
We got to talk about, because we already did EGM, right? We did GamePro.
730
00:49:33,172 --> 00:49:36,832
We did, what did we do? We did Sega Visions. We did Atari Age.
731
00:49:36,992 --> 00:49:39,112
We did the first one I talked about.
732
00:49:40,212 --> 00:49:45,532
So now let's just dive into the one that I think you and I have a very strong tie to, Game Informer.
733
00:49:46,152 --> 00:49:51,632
Yeah, but before we go to Game Informer, I got to give props to a couple of
734
00:49:51,632 --> 00:49:53,872
magazines that I absolutely love.
735
00:49:55,183 --> 00:49:58,803
Let's do it prior to prior to game informant i think and
736
00:49:58,803 --> 00:50:01,723
this was and this was right before the 32-bit era
737
00:50:01,723 --> 00:50:04,823
hit this is like they they actually
738
00:50:04,823 --> 00:50:07,923
reviewed i i still have my issue where they actually reviewed
739
00:50:07,923 --> 00:50:13,003
the original playstation which was an add-on to the super nintendo it was the
740
00:50:13,003 --> 00:50:16,403
it was the cd to the super nintendo they were the first one to talk about it
741
00:50:16,403 --> 00:50:20,723
was called next generation next generation magazine was the first one to really
742
00:50:20,723 --> 00:50:26,823
have in-depth coverage of the The upcoming Super Nintendo PlayStation,
743
00:50:27,243 --> 00:50:30,043
which, again, was a CD add-on. It wasn't its own console at the time.
744
00:50:30,403 --> 00:50:37,843
And Sega Saturn. They covered Neo Geo stuff on there, which almost got no coverage
745
00:50:37,843 --> 00:50:40,323
at the time because nobody could afford a Neo Geo AES.
746
00:50:42,123 --> 00:50:46,463
And I believe they were the first ones to talk about the Atari Jaguar. Oh, wow.
747
00:50:47,043 --> 00:50:50,343
But, yeah, so I got to give props to Next Generation Magazine.
748
00:50:50,343 --> 00:50:55,943
Magazine and prior to game informer and i still think it was the best magazine
749
00:50:55,943 --> 00:51:01,663
i've ever read they had the best illustrations the best layout they would have
750
00:51:01,663 --> 00:51:04,003
they would have art in there,
751
00:51:04,523 --> 00:51:09,063
that you can tell they made for you to cut it out and frame it and i have some
752
00:51:09,063 --> 00:51:14,143
of those in my game room to this day because the art was so amazing was game
753
00:51:14,143 --> 00:51:19,483
fan game fan i vaguely remember that let Let me look that up while you talk about it.
754
00:51:19,483 --> 00:51:23,363
Game fan was an incredible man. Yes.
755
00:51:23,763 --> 00:51:28,443
Wow. I vaguely remember that. But yes, I remember seeing, I'm looking at Donkey Kong issue right now.
756
00:51:28,623 --> 00:51:34,183
Wow. Yeah. They're okay. Their art and their coverage on, on these games,
757
00:51:34,243 --> 00:51:36,603
next gen import, import,
758
00:51:37,674 --> 00:51:40,554
european stuff the different variations of the
759
00:51:40,554 --> 00:51:43,254
consoles they were the first they were the first
760
00:51:43,254 --> 00:51:49,934
ones to really inform me about the different peripherals that were released
761
00:51:49,934 --> 00:51:56,154
in places like japan and europe and brazil that were never that never came stateside
762
00:51:56,154 --> 00:51:58,514
and i was like oh my god i want to i want to get that like that's the first
763
00:51:58,514 --> 00:52:01,134
time i read about the nintendo satellite for the NES,
764
00:52:01,574 --> 00:52:04,754
and then they were the first ones to really cover the.
765
00:52:05,934 --> 00:52:10,854
Nintendo 64 disk drive, which actually has a version of Animal Crossing on it,
766
00:52:10,914 --> 00:52:14,954
which a lot of people don't know, which later was released, of course, for the GameCube.
767
00:52:15,774 --> 00:52:19,754
But, dude, game fan. If I still have all my copies of game fan,
768
00:52:19,894 --> 00:52:21,454
I will never give those up.
769
00:52:21,754 --> 00:52:26,054
And like I said, I got a lot of their art on my wall in my game room, my arcade.
770
00:52:26,734 --> 00:52:29,954
If you guys can look at some of those illustrations, man,
771
00:52:30,054 --> 00:52:33,954
if you ever get your hands on one of those just look at how how
772
00:52:33,954 --> 00:52:37,234
pristine that layout was their their
773
00:52:37,234 --> 00:52:40,254
their car stop like their the the pages were thicker
774
00:52:40,254 --> 00:52:44,414
than any other magazine i mean this magazine was heavy dude and you could just
775
00:52:44,414 --> 00:52:50,654
tell the quality and you could tell the the you could almost feel the the passion
776
00:52:50,654 --> 00:52:59,314
in this in this magazine man it was it was incredible and i was really really sad when they killed it,
777
00:52:59,374 --> 00:53:03,154
I think they relaunched it like an Oh nine or Oh 10 for a little bit.
778
00:53:04,134 --> 00:53:07,894
I don't know if it's still available digital, but those mags,
779
00:53:07,894 --> 00:53:12,214
man, they, they hold the real close to my heart to this day, man.
780
00:53:12,734 --> 00:53:17,994
Game fans. So according to their Wikipedia page, they officially just stopped
781
00:53:17,994 --> 00:53:19,894
in 2000 and that was it, man.
782
00:53:20,974 --> 00:53:24,454
Yeah. They stopped in 2000, but whenever we talk about something,
783
00:53:24,594 --> 00:53:25,634
we always want to be honest here.
784
00:53:25,794 --> 00:53:31,274
And they, Did you know there was some controversy, like some racial controversy? No. What happened?
785
00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:37,274
There was an issue in September 1995 of Game Fan where they printed several
786
00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:40,254
derogatory comments about Japanese people.
787
00:53:41,074 --> 00:53:43,714
Racially derogatory. I'm not going to say what the term was,
788
00:53:43,814 --> 00:53:49,474
but basically specific derogatory terms because of Ace Combat. What?
789
00:53:51,434 --> 00:53:55,414
The text took place on one of the paragraphs of one of the sports games names, or views.
790
00:53:55,634 --> 00:54:00,254
The article discussed a Namco combat flight simulator called Ace Combat.
791
00:54:00,914 --> 00:54:05,554
So in that... Ace Combat was actually called Air Combat. So was it Air Combat
792
00:54:05,554 --> 00:54:08,254
or Ace Combat? It was Ace Combat. Oh, okay.
793
00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:14,547
But regardless, they called Japanese people, again, I'm not going to say it,
794
00:54:14,607 --> 00:54:19,967
but derogatory, racially charged insults. Well, you're not saying it. Just say what it says.
795
00:54:20,747 --> 00:54:23,127
Well, I'm not going to say that on there. Dude, I've learned my lesson about that.
796
00:54:25,407 --> 00:54:31,247
But if you want to find out, go to their wiki page. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah.
797
00:54:31,527 --> 00:54:35,227
So little blank bastards. Okay. Yeah.
798
00:54:36,267 --> 00:54:39,267
Okay. Well, you still didn't say it. So there you go. So fuck off.
799
00:54:39,787 --> 00:54:43,247
Well, you won't. I'll say it. Oh, no, no. Anyways, yes.
800
00:54:44,127 --> 00:54:48,887
Okay. Well, yes. So I wonder, because I feel like there's a market for that.
801
00:54:49,047 --> 00:54:52,747
I bet you that issue has more value than most issues, because that probably
802
00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:55,207
got pulled pretty quickly, right?
803
00:54:55,727 --> 00:55:00,307
Yeah, it probably did. I know I have it, because I have every issue of GameFan,
804
00:55:01,067 --> 00:55:03,187
so I know I have it somewhere, so I'm going to have to look that one up.
805
00:55:03,647 --> 00:55:07,707
But I also give them props, because, you know, of course, me being a Sega fan,
806
00:55:07,707 --> 00:55:11,247
they released Megafan in Japan.
807
00:55:12,387 --> 00:55:18,107
It covered the Mega Drive which is the Sega Genesis here in the States and I
808
00:55:18,107 --> 00:55:21,507
that was the first time I found out about importing.
809
00:55:22,527 --> 00:55:25,567
Magazines and able to import video games
810
00:55:25,567 --> 00:55:29,247
at the time again a lot of them were mail order but
811
00:55:29,247 --> 00:55:32,427
if it wasn't for their information that they had in their magazines I would
812
00:55:32,427 --> 00:55:35,767
have never known love love of
813
00:55:35,767 --> 00:55:39,467
game fan and you know
814
00:55:39,467 --> 00:55:42,507
too bad on the editors for letting that pass because yeah that's
815
00:55:42,507 --> 00:55:45,287
ridiculous you sure yeah there's no need for that
816
00:55:45,287 --> 00:55:48,887
in any any you know situation but
817
00:55:48,887 --> 00:55:51,887
especially if you're if you're printing it like that and
818
00:55:51,887 --> 00:55:54,807
you know you you obviously cover in video games
819
00:55:54,807 --> 00:55:58,627
and majority of the video games at that time were yeah
820
00:55:58,627 --> 00:56:01,947
created and and and developed by you
821
00:56:01,947 --> 00:56:05,927
know japanese developers geniuses you
822
00:56:05,927 --> 00:56:09,407
know still in their own right right now but to
823
00:56:09,407 --> 00:56:12,427
to make that comment right that's ridiculous dude that
824
00:56:12,427 --> 00:56:15,927
that kind of puts a dagger in my heart man because i love game fans so much
825
00:56:15,927 --> 00:56:20,047
now it's they just dropped they dropped a little bit on the uh on the pedestal
826
00:56:20,047 --> 00:56:25,387
yeah for sure yeah so you know really quickly and also i just wanted to point
827
00:56:25,387 --> 00:56:28,407
us out ace combat we don't have to dive into the new world but ace combat's
828
00:56:28,407 --> 00:56:29,447
fucking amazing by the way.
829
00:56:30,007 --> 00:56:33,427
Yeah, man. So Ace Combat, again, the first one was actually called Air Combat.
830
00:56:33,927 --> 00:56:38,147
PlayStation 1 blew my mind because I never thought 3D graphics could get that
831
00:56:38,147 --> 00:56:39,427
good at that time, that detail.
832
00:56:39,927 --> 00:56:44,747
Oh, yeah. And then when Ace Combat 2 came out, I was fully involved.
833
00:56:44,927 --> 00:56:50,627
Like, from that point on, every single Ace Combat game that came out, I got the flight stick.
834
00:56:52,186 --> 00:56:58,306
Pack in with it so i have i have probably eight six to eight different flight
835
00:56:58,306 --> 00:57:03,186
sticks but every single one after that the one that pissed me off though talking about ace combat,
836
00:57:04,346 --> 00:57:10,026
they brought ace combat 3 electrosphere to the states and they completely chopped
837
00:57:10,026 --> 00:57:16,686
that one up what was it called it's called electrosphere ace combat 3 electrosphere Oh, who was the guy?
838
00:57:17,566 --> 00:57:22,106
Well, they chopped it up, man. So in Japan, it was a completely different game.
839
00:57:22,226 --> 00:57:25,046
It had, you know, you're able to get the flight ticket and all that stuff.
840
00:57:25,186 --> 00:57:27,866
But I believe it came with two discs.
841
00:57:28,326 --> 00:57:31,286
But yeah, there was a bunch of missions missing from that one.
842
00:57:32,006 --> 00:57:37,886
And they took out the system link, I believe, that was available in the Japanese one.
843
00:57:37,966 --> 00:57:42,326
So in the original PlayStation model, there was a little port in the back that
844
00:57:42,326 --> 00:57:44,946
you can link up the system to another one.
845
00:57:46,006 --> 00:57:51,026
And you were able to dogfight, like one-on-one dogfight. I don't think there
846
00:57:51,026 --> 00:57:51,866
was a co-op. I can't remember.
847
00:57:52,406 --> 00:57:55,346
But you're able to, yeah, dogfight on that one. I believe in the American one,
848
00:57:55,406 --> 00:57:59,306
they dropped that, which really, really pissed me off.
849
00:57:59,386 --> 00:58:05,426
So I end up chipping my, you know, at this time I'm already involved in importing Japanese games.
850
00:58:05,766 --> 00:58:08,986
And a lot of Namco stuff, almost all of their stuff is in English.
851
00:58:09,366 --> 00:58:11,286
So a lot of people are like, oh, no, it's all in Japanese. No,
852
00:58:11,366 --> 00:58:14,806
the text might be a little bit in Japanese, but all the menus and all that stuff.
853
00:58:15,346 --> 00:58:19,126
Is in english a lot of the language is
854
00:58:19,126 --> 00:58:22,866
in english so it's absolutely playable
855
00:58:22,866 --> 00:58:25,866
and yeah i remember importing that
856
00:58:25,866 --> 00:58:29,046
one man and just like being blown away
857
00:58:29,046 --> 00:58:33,766
and then eventually when ace combat 4 came out game over still one of the best
858
00:58:33,766 --> 00:58:40,046
one of the best all time to this day i don't want to call it a sim because it's
859
00:58:40,046 --> 00:58:44,926
not really a sim but just flight fighter fighter pilot game dude still to to
860
00:58:44,926 --> 00:58:45,946
this day, man. Incredible.
861
00:58:46,226 --> 00:58:50,466
It's the closest thing to a legitimate awesome Top Gun game.
862
00:58:50,826 --> 00:58:54,386
Oh, man, dude. That game is so good. To this day. You can pop it in your PS2.
863
00:58:54,606 --> 00:58:58,166
It still hits, man. It's so good.
864
00:58:58,866 --> 00:59:01,966
So good, man. I completely agree with you on that one, for sure.
865
00:59:02,286 --> 00:59:05,806
Alright, let's keep it going. I want to end with two magazines here.
866
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Do you want to do Game Informer first or Nintendo Power first?
867
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We'll do Game Informer real quick. We all know about it, so let's start with that one.
868
00:59:14,686 --> 00:59:18,306
Realistically game informer was is very much you know i don't want to sound
869
00:59:18,306 --> 00:59:22,606
like a dick but very much a copy of everything else right yeah yeah you know
870
00:59:22,606 --> 00:59:24,926
they started later they started in 1991
871
00:59:25,366 --> 00:59:29,366
egm had already been out game pro had already been out right it was made by
872
00:59:29,366 --> 00:59:33,726
gamers and you know that's great but you know ultimately for those who don't
873
00:59:33,726 --> 00:59:38,826
know funcoland was the one who started publishing it in-house and then funcoland
874
00:59:38,826 --> 00:59:43,346
was bought by gamestop and then basically if you If you have been to a GameStop in the past, what?
875
00:59:43,506 --> 00:59:46,386
How many years, Lou? Sorry, how many years, Nomad?
876
00:59:47,086 --> 00:59:51,306
Somewhere else? 25? Yeah, 25 years, maybe? I don't know.
877
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,720
If you've been to a GameStop for the past 25 years, you've had somebody by the
878
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,980
counter say, Hey, do you want to join our membership so you can get our magazine? Yeah.
879
01:00:00,820 --> 01:00:06,360
And without that, to me, that magazine would not be as big as it is. Oh, for sure.
880
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,900
As it was. Because I think it's still running, right? Yeah. It's all digital now.
881
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:16,100
If you have a subscription, if you got GameStop's rewards program,
882
01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:17,660
it's now sent to you digital.
883
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:20,820
You can still get the physical ones, but it's a separate charge now.
884
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:26,040
But they do. Yeah. Yeah, they still do a physical like if you go into your local
885
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,600
GameStop, I'm pretty sure you can still buy like older issues.
886
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:34,180
So, yeah, it's still print. But if you're subscribed to it now, it's all digital.
887
01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:38,640
You can again, you can get the physical one, but it's a separate charge that
888
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,540
you have to give Game Informer directly and they will send you the physical
889
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:45,120
copies. Yeah. So it's still print.
890
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,960
OK, it's just a little bit harder to get. Not as easily accessible.
891
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,120
So, you know, again, they really
892
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,100
did have much the same features as every other magazine at that time.
893
01:00:55,340 --> 01:00:57,680
But, you know, for somebody who's been a big part of that, and,
894
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:00,540
you know, just like I was, that was a part of those 10 years of my life I was
895
01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,280
part of. So before I say mine, I'm curious about yours.
896
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:08,640
You must have some sort of fun memories with that magazine. believe it or not not really.
897
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:15,720
Okay yeah not really I have a lot of them and they're cool I think the writing's
898
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,000
fairly generic I do like their.
899
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:28,460
Demon farcer section which is hilarious and maybe president evil came on that one I don't know,
900
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:34,540
I'm still thinking about president evil I thought that was hilarious but my
901
01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:42,220
fondest memory is in Game Enforcer and they were reviewing, and this is my thoughts exactly,
902
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,160
they were reviewing a Dynasty Warriors controller.
903
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,420
Controller? Yeah. Keep in mind, this is Game Enforcer.
904
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:59,700
Okay. So they're like, new controller coming out, designed specifically for Dynasty Warriors.
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01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,060
And I think you know my thoughts on Dynasty Warriors. Thank you.
906
01:02:06,122 --> 01:02:09,442
And the okay and the controller
907
01:02:09,442 --> 01:02:12,362
had had the d-pad or analog stick whatever
908
01:02:12,362 --> 01:02:15,302
you want and it had two buttons and they were labeled
909
01:02:15,302 --> 01:02:21,862
sword and the other one was not sword and i thought that was so fucking hilarious
910
01:02:21,862 --> 01:02:27,142
because that game is such a button masher dude and it sounds like crazy like
911
01:02:27,142 --> 01:02:30,982
people it's like and there's so many different variations like they'll do dynasty
912
01:02:30,982 --> 01:02:33,322
warriors and Dynasty Warriors Dash,
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01:02:33,662 --> 01:02:37,562
Dynasty Warriors 2, Dynasty Warriors 2 Extreme,
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01:02:38,102 --> 01:02:40,402
and then Warriors Orochi.
915
01:02:40,502 --> 01:02:43,402
It's the same game, dude. It's just a big butt-matching game.
916
01:02:43,562 --> 01:02:47,282
So when I saw that freaking controller, dude, I lost it.
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01:02:47,302 --> 01:02:52,442
That's my fondest memory of Game Informer is freaking Game Enforcer, dude.
918
01:02:52,722 --> 01:02:57,902
But I think the magazine's cool. Don't get me wrong. I think it's cool.
919
01:02:59,362 --> 01:03:04,542
But they are way, way too Nintendo biased on there.
920
01:03:04,842 --> 01:03:09,002
You look at their top 100 games, you could probably throw 80 in the Nintendo
921
01:03:09,002 --> 01:03:14,142
direction, and the top 20 are probably 19 of them are Zeldas.
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01:03:14,222 --> 01:03:15,922
You know what I mean? It's like, come on, dude.
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01:03:16,502 --> 01:03:20,522
I mean, I like The Legend of Zelda, I like their games and all that stuff,
924
01:03:20,602 --> 01:03:23,222
but you can tell the generation that's making these games, like,
925
01:03:23,242 --> 01:03:24,802
dude, did you play anything else?
926
01:03:26,862 --> 01:03:29,862
There's no way your top 10 games are five zelda games
927
01:03:29,862 --> 01:03:32,782
and if they are you don't branch
928
01:03:32,782 --> 01:03:35,902
out enough you i just i don't know i just so
929
01:03:35,902 --> 01:03:39,162
i have a i have a story about this real fast so my memories
930
01:03:39,162 --> 01:03:42,022
are two of them and the first one i don't i didn't i remember bring
931
01:03:42,022 --> 01:03:45,002
it right away because you brought this up i'll never forget this
932
01:03:45,002 --> 01:03:48,002
this is something that because your
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01:03:48,002 --> 01:03:50,962
passion and your your gumption about
934
01:03:50,962 --> 01:03:53,722
it was just so it was just it really reminded me
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01:03:53,722 --> 01:03:56,402
how much you love gaming even though you didn't really game as much as you used to
936
01:03:56,402 --> 01:03:59,122
and you called me it was probably like
937
01:03:59,122 --> 01:04:04,082
at 9 or 10 p.m and it was this issue came out 2009 so that was a long time ago
938
01:04:04,082 --> 01:04:09,802
and you called me and you go did you read the game reformer 100th issue about
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01:04:09,802 --> 01:04:13,342
the top 100 and i was like i haven't really got through it i think i like whatever
940
01:04:13,342 --> 01:04:18,002
and you were like okay i need you to grab it and i need you to look at it
941
01:04:18,062 --> 01:04:21,322
right now and i was like what what
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01:04:21,322 --> 01:04:24,022
do you mean because look at look at number one and it was
943
01:04:24,022 --> 01:04:27,402
and i'm looking at the list right now it's here it was yeah
944
01:04:27,402 --> 01:04:32,922
they're the top 100 games of all time number one was legend of zelda and i remember
945
01:04:32,922 --> 01:04:40,262
you lost your shit about that it was it was which one it was n64 right legend
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01:04:40,262 --> 01:04:44,882
of zelda ocarina so that nes one oh that's right.
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01:04:48,676 --> 01:04:51,556
But the conviction that you had in
948
01:04:51,556 --> 01:04:55,476
your voice you were like i can't believe they didn't put the you know but i
949
01:04:55,476 --> 01:04:57,956
don't know it's like when i say this too i don't mean to make it sound like
950
01:04:57,956 --> 01:05:02,516
you're saying a fanboy but you were like uh president orta or yeah with osagas
951
01:05:02,516 --> 01:05:09,156
that's something top 10 dude saga wasn't even on the top 100 and that's what
952
01:05:09,156 --> 01:05:10,696
okay he's like okay legend Zelda.
953
01:05:11,376 --> 01:05:15,576
Yeah, good game. It wasn't that great, dude. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to tell the
954
01:05:15,576 --> 01:05:17,256
fanboys, it wasn't that good of a game.
955
01:05:17,956 --> 01:05:23,376
Ms. Pac-Man is in the top 10. Which one? Ms. Pac-Man. I really like Ms.
956
01:05:23,436 --> 01:05:25,456
Pac-Man. I would not put it in the top 10.
957
01:05:26,416 --> 01:05:31,116
I think a lot of times they take it as not just the game itself,
958
01:05:31,316 --> 01:05:35,056
but its influence on the gaming culture. Okay.
959
01:05:36,176 --> 01:05:40,656
I get it, but even on NES games, I wouldn't put that one number one,
960
01:05:40,676 --> 01:05:43,936
I would probably put Super Mario Brothers above Legend of Zelda.
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01:05:44,676 --> 01:05:47,376
Okay, yeah. So, you know what? Let's just do this real fast.
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01:05:47,816 --> 01:05:52,236
Here it is. Here it is. Game Informer's top 100 games. Not all 100,
963
01:05:52,416 --> 01:05:55,576
but the top 10 of that list. You're going to piss me off right now. Go ahead.
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01:05:56,116 --> 01:05:59,336
I love it because this is what I remember. This is why this...
965
01:05:59,336 --> 01:06:01,616
Because it was so endearing.
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01:06:01,756 --> 01:06:04,336
Because I think at that point, you and I were friends, but we were still...
967
01:06:04,336 --> 01:06:05,396
I don't think we were that close.
968
01:06:05,536 --> 01:06:08,936
And you just called me, and you just let it all out. And it was very sweet.
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01:06:08,996 --> 01:06:12,236
So thank you for that. and so because i always looked
970
01:06:12,236 --> 01:06:14,936
up to you because you were such you were very into gaming i love
971
01:06:14,936 --> 01:06:17,636
that about you and that really reminded me that you were a
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01:06:17,636 --> 01:06:20,496
gamer 100 first and foremost and i
973
01:06:20,496 --> 01:06:23,096
think sometimes you lose that when you work at a retail store you know what
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01:06:23,096 --> 01:06:29,036
i mean oh you do you absolutely lose that but this moment that moment that happened
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01:06:29,036 --> 01:06:33,696
reminded me like yeah this dude is a legitimate gamer uh so anyways here is
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01:06:33,696 --> 01:06:37,936
the top 10 number 10 final final fantasy 7,
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01:06:38,416 --> 01:06:40,696
overrated. That's a motherfucker right there, dude.
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01:06:40,816 --> 01:06:43,636
That game is overrated as shit. Go ahead.
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01:06:44,416 --> 01:06:46,316
It's not a bad game, though. You can't say it's a bad game. No,
980
01:06:46,316 --> 01:06:49,056
it's not a bad game. It ain't top 10. Okay, okay.
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01:06:49,976 --> 01:06:54,716
Number 9, Ms. Pac-Man. Nah, I wouldn't put that there. But go ahead.
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01:06:55,516 --> 01:06:58,216
Number 8, Super Mario Bros. 3.
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01:06:59,216 --> 01:07:03,456
That's a really good game. I'd put that one in the top 10 for sure.
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01:07:04,256 --> 01:07:09,756
I would too. I don't know about 8, but definitely maybe 10 or 9. Yeah, I agree. Number 7.
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01:07:10,496 --> 01:07:12,536
Final Fantasy 3. No.
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01:07:14,576 --> 01:07:14,916
No.
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01:07:16,936 --> 01:07:20,196
Number 6. I don't know if I agree with this number, but I do agree it should
988
01:07:20,196 --> 01:07:22,156
be in the top 10. Metroid. Yeah.
989
01:07:23,191 --> 01:07:27,871
Metroid above zelda yeah i would too metroid is a much more established smarter
990
01:07:27,871 --> 01:07:31,411
game i think and and see a lot of people don't understand they know they know
991
01:07:31,411 --> 01:07:36,511
and we talked about this in other episodes they know now that samus is a female
992
01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:39,571
yes imagine playing that game the whole time,
993
01:07:40,031 --> 01:07:43,931
and yeah all the heroes at the time all the video game characters they were
994
01:07:43,931 --> 01:07:49,851
male they were they were they were they were boys or you know or or men that
995
01:07:49,851 --> 01:07:53,071
you controlled and you got to the end of that game and you realize that she
996
01:07:53,071 --> 01:07:59,351
was a female dude that was like mind-boggling dude that was crazy at the time it was unheard of,
997
01:07:59,991 --> 01:08:03,131
yeah and people don't understand people do not understand
998
01:08:03,131 --> 01:08:06,231
the importance of that because you know again like you said it was a very male
999
01:08:06,231 --> 01:08:10,451
dominated thing and then to have like a female and a character who arguably
1000
01:08:10,451 --> 01:08:15,171
is one of the most badass in gaming right more about it I'll tell you this name
1001
01:08:15,171 --> 01:08:21,111
me two name me two more female protagonists Lara Croft no during that era,
1002
01:08:21,831 --> 01:08:26,611
Well, then I guess you're right. I don't think I know of any.
1003
01:08:27,051 --> 01:08:30,191
Legend of Kage? I mean, that's Miss Pac-Man?
1004
01:08:30,891 --> 01:08:33,451
I didn't know that. Was that a girl? Legend of Kage? Yeah, she was a female.
1005
01:08:34,871 --> 01:08:38,751
Miss Pac-Man? That's her, dude? Yeah.
1006
01:08:39,531 --> 01:08:44,751
So could you imagine? Imagine also what that game did for women in game development.
1007
01:08:44,891 --> 01:08:46,291
Could you imagine doing that?
1008
01:08:46,631 --> 01:08:50,111
Like, yeah. So anyways, yes, I agree. Speaking of women developers,
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01:08:50,331 --> 01:08:53,891
we got to give it up to, I forgot her name, she developed one of my,
1010
01:08:53,971 --> 01:09:00,391
I put it on my Instagram, one of my all-time favorite games. And it's just shmup.
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01:09:00,891 --> 01:09:10,211
And she's a female developer in an era where there was not any female representation at the time.
1012
01:09:10,531 --> 01:09:15,531
And it was a game called, for the Atari 2600 and later on for the 1500 and all that.
1013
01:09:15,751 --> 01:09:18,691
But it was River Raid. oh yes yeah
1014
01:09:18,691 --> 01:09:21,831
i saw that post yeah riverade and the developer
1015
01:09:21,831 --> 01:09:24,831
was carol shaw and she was
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01:09:24,831 --> 01:09:28,491
the only person that developed that game all by
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01:09:28,491 --> 01:09:31,231
herself so carol shaw props to you
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01:09:31,231 --> 01:09:34,231
female gamer og right there
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01:09:34,231 --> 01:09:38,971
riverade but go ahead okay so number five now i'm gonna be honest with you you
1020
01:09:38,971 --> 01:09:41,871
might not agree with this one but i absolutely agree with this being in top
1021
01:09:41,871 --> 01:09:47,111
five because in my opinion this game moves motherfucking mountains it is by
1022
01:09:47,111 --> 01:09:53,911
far one of the most influential of all time and it's still fucking timeless and that's,
1023
01:09:54,451 --> 01:09:56,411
motherfucking Doom yeah.
1024
01:09:57,611 --> 01:10:03,451
Doom was Doom yeah for sure Doom was a game changer man even more because Wolfenstein
1025
01:10:03,451 --> 01:10:11,371
was dope but Doom took it to a whole new level and then and then with the deathmatch and the whole BFG,
1026
01:10:11,911 --> 01:10:14,731
and then, of course, Doom 2 took it to a whole other level, too.
1027
01:10:14,831 --> 01:10:18,151
But yeah, I remember Doom... So, playing Doom...
1028
01:10:19,438 --> 01:10:23,958
And, oh, I got to go back to Game Informer. Remind me about Game Pro later on.
1029
01:10:24,338 --> 01:10:30,718
Okay. My friend Marvin, I remember we got Doom and installing it on his computer,
1030
01:10:30,818 --> 01:10:34,078
and it came out floppy disk. And I think, like, five floppy disks, dude.
1031
01:10:34,298 --> 01:10:37,418
And he had to, like, load each and every one. But once we got in there,
1032
01:10:37,498 --> 01:10:42,238
that was the first time I ever did the keyboard and mouse combo with a first-person
1033
01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,478
shooter. And it was just the control.
1034
01:10:45,618 --> 01:10:48,698
Amazing, dude. Amazing. and i couldn't wait to get my my
1035
01:10:48,698 --> 01:10:52,238
hands on a copy of doom and it wasn't until i think
1036
01:10:52,238 --> 01:10:55,038
i got it for the atari jaguar because i didn't have a pc but yeah
1037
01:10:55,038 --> 01:10:57,978
doom for sure is up there jaguar the jaguar
1038
01:10:57,978 --> 01:11:00,998
doom actually isn't that bad either it's not great it's it's
1039
01:11:00,998 --> 01:11:04,318
pretty good the only thing that's missing is a lot of the music but you can
1040
01:11:04,318 --> 01:11:08,798
you can if you have the jag cd you can kind of manipulate the music and by putting
1041
01:11:08,798 --> 01:11:11,858
something in there there's a little trick but no doom on the on the jaguar was
1042
01:11:11,858 --> 01:11:15,518
sick yeah i mean obviously you couldn't beat the pc version of the time right
1043
01:11:15,518 --> 01:11:18,258
up until So up until now with the collections and whatever,
1044
01:11:18,498 --> 01:11:22,958
you know, really, it was so hard to get like the PC version of it. Perfect.
1045
01:11:23,018 --> 01:11:27,718
But yeah, I, that game, dude, doom, I can go on and on for it.
1046
01:11:27,758 --> 01:11:30,678
And maybe we should, maybe for Halloween this year, we should do a doom episode
1047
01:11:30,678 --> 01:11:31,858
and talk about all the dooms.
1048
01:11:32,698 --> 01:11:37,898
That'd be fun, man. Cause the doom means a lot to me. I know you dig it a lot
1049
01:11:37,898 --> 01:11:39,498
and then, you know, there's a new doom coming.
1050
01:11:39,818 --> 01:11:43,078
So yeah, I can't wait. but anyways all right number
1051
01:11:43,078 --> 01:11:45,998
four this game it was interesting
1052
01:11:45,998 --> 01:11:48,778
about this one is that i don't feel like it deserves
1053
01:11:48,778 --> 01:11:51,438
to be in top 10 but i definitely deserve it feels to
1054
01:11:51,438 --> 01:11:58,498
be top 25 and that is tony hawk's pro skater 2 yeah i i agree 100 very influential
1055
01:11:58,498 --> 01:12:05,198
great game everybody played it massive but i'm just speaking for myself and
1056
01:12:05,198 --> 01:12:10,278
probably for a lot of people overall top you said at top five? No.
1057
01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:18,238
No way. This next one, I think it'd be hard to argue with its prominence and
1058
01:12:18,238 --> 01:12:21,218
its importance, and that is Tetris. Yes.
1059
01:12:22,118 --> 01:12:26,878
Yes, because Tetris I think was the first game that.
1060
01:12:28,377 --> 01:12:33,137
Generation played. It didn't matter if you were, you know, you just got your
1061
01:12:33,137 --> 01:12:37,077
brand new Game Boy with a spinach green screen and you're playing it in 1989,
1062
01:12:37,157 --> 01:12:42,637
or you downloaded it on your computer and you're playing it in detention like I did.
1063
01:12:43,037 --> 01:12:49,137
Yeah. Or, you know, the illegal Sega Genesis version made by Tengen.
1064
01:12:49,637 --> 01:12:52,817
Yeah. Yeah, dude, Tetris was everywhere.
1065
01:12:53,097 --> 01:12:56,697
It was everywhere. And for the developer, I forgot his name,
1066
01:12:56,697 --> 01:12:59,637
I'll screw it up. The Russian guy to only get paid...
1067
01:13:00,217 --> 01:13:04,477
It's Alexey Pachinov. Yes, Alexey. For Alexey to only get...
1068
01:13:05,057 --> 01:13:08,897
God, what'd he get? Like 50 bucks or 100 bucks or something like that from Nintendo?
1069
01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:14,057
It was Nintendo. I thought it was Russia that didn't give him the money. That's why.
1070
01:13:14,237 --> 01:13:18,057
Yeah, well, yeah. But they wanted to pay him, and then Russia's like, no.
1071
01:13:18,297 --> 01:13:25,937
There's a whole story behind that. But he didn't get paid anything for that game, dude.
1072
01:13:25,997 --> 01:13:30,077
And it's worldwide known to be one of the greatest games and simplest games
1073
01:13:30,077 --> 01:13:33,177
to ever be made. And it's still being made to this day.
1074
01:13:33,597 --> 01:13:36,737
You know, Tetris 99, Tetris Puyo Pop.
1075
01:13:38,037 --> 01:13:42,957
It's still going, dude. And do you remember what his next game that he made was?
1076
01:13:44,257 --> 01:13:48,337
No. It was Picross. That was his? Yeah, he made that too.
1077
01:13:49,997 --> 01:13:53,117
Picross is cool, but it's not as good as Tetris. Tetris is legendary,
1078
01:13:53,317 --> 01:13:57,177
man. I can't hate on Tetris. I'll definitely put Tetris in the top 10.
1079
01:13:58,017 --> 01:14:01,617
Not top 5, though, huh? I don't know if I'd put it top 5, but definitely top 10.
1080
01:14:03,077 --> 01:14:08,077
All right. Number 2, Super Mario Bros. Yeah.
1081
01:14:09,097 --> 01:14:14,477
I can't deny it's greatness, man. People play it to this day.
1082
01:14:14,817 --> 01:14:18,017
I'll pop this in, you know, and people will come over, like,
1083
01:14:18,037 --> 01:14:18,937
hey, you got Super Mario Bros.?
1084
01:14:18,937 --> 01:14:22,317
I'll put in number 1, man, and they'll play that more than number 3. definitely more
1085
01:14:22,317 --> 01:14:25,117
than number two which i mean honestly wasn't really a super
1086
01:14:25,117 --> 01:14:28,157
mario game it was it was a palette swap or
1087
01:14:28,157 --> 01:14:30,877
whatever but yeah you can still play that game to this day dude i
1088
01:14:30,877 --> 01:14:34,477
played that game the arcades man i still think
1089
01:14:34,477 --> 01:14:37,517
maybe disagree i think number three is better than that one in my opinion a
1090
01:14:37,517 --> 01:14:41,977
lot of people do yeah a lot of people do but i think if you were to put them
1091
01:14:41,977 --> 01:14:45,957
side by side everybody knows the original mario brothers you know it's like
1092
01:14:45,957 --> 01:14:54,437
tetris you the original Tetris, because it's just so easy to pick up and play.
1093
01:14:54,697 --> 01:15:01,277
It's simple, but it had its Easter eggs, it had little glitches to exploit, but that was part of it.
1094
01:15:01,557 --> 01:15:03,957
And everybody can play that one. So yeah, man.
1095
01:15:05,817 --> 01:15:06,537
Number two?
1096
01:15:09,977 --> 01:15:13,677
Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'll put that in top five for sure.
1097
01:15:14,237 --> 01:15:19,517
And then, of course, number one, Legend of Zelda on the NES. Nope.
1098
01:15:21,467 --> 01:15:24,307
Now we don't now let's link to the link to
1099
01:15:24,307 --> 01:15:27,367
the past was a way better game dude i
1100
01:15:27,367 --> 01:15:30,547
i fear i i i i
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01:15:30,547 --> 01:15:33,327
understand it's it's influenced same
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01:15:33,327 --> 01:15:36,047
thing like tetris and all that stuff i get it but that
1103
01:15:36,047 --> 01:15:39,127
game wasn't that good dude i'm sorry man i i was
1104
01:15:39,127 --> 01:15:42,787
there when it first came out i played it when it first came out and it
1105
01:15:42,787 --> 01:15:45,547
was cool it was fun it was you know a
1106
01:15:45,547 --> 01:15:48,607
little dungeon crawler if you you like but it didn't
1107
01:15:48,607 --> 01:15:51,407
grab me man link to the past grabbed me when i played that
1108
01:15:51,407 --> 01:15:54,087
one i was like oh this game to say i can play that i can play link to
1109
01:15:54,087 --> 01:15:57,227
the past to this day do you play the original legends
1110
01:15:57,227 --> 01:16:00,547
all to this day no and if you say if you
1111
01:16:00,547 --> 01:16:03,347
say yes you're fucking lying here's the thing i
1112
01:16:03,347 --> 01:16:06,127
absolutely agree with that because everybody talks about oh i love the old school
1113
01:16:06,127 --> 01:16:10,567
legends that's fine i get you what you do and that's fine but so many people
1114
01:16:10,567 --> 01:16:14,247
still do not not pick that game up they really don't or they'll play it and
1115
01:16:14,247 --> 01:16:18,227
they stop after like two hours yep I don't know anybody actually sitting there
1116
01:16:18,227 --> 01:16:22,947
and running through it because it wasn't as I, again, it's a great, it is a good game.
1117
01:16:22,987 --> 01:16:25,987
Like I'm not gonna argue that, but it's not a game changer.
1118
01:16:26,067 --> 01:16:28,947
Like, I mean, I guess at a time maybe, but link to the past is just,
1119
01:16:29,307 --> 01:16:31,127
I mean, dude, and then link to the past is phenomenal.
1120
01:16:31,327 --> 01:16:35,027
And then when you get to orc area time, it even blows that out the water. You know what I mean?
1121
01:16:36,347 --> 01:16:40,367
Yeah, for sure. I just, I know that is not number one, man. And,
1122
01:16:40,487 --> 01:16:42,507
and again, going back to.
1123
01:16:43,861 --> 01:16:49,061
The the kind of the kind of bias in there man i mean at the top 10 how many are like you know,
1124
01:16:49,541 --> 01:16:55,361
nintendo games eight blonde yeah a lot of nintendo in here a lot of nintendo
1125
01:16:55,361 --> 01:17:00,161
i mean we go through more of them but uh a lot of it all right let's do let's
1126
01:17:00,161 --> 01:17:04,181
do this real quick what's 11 going back okay going back to game pro i gotta
1127
01:17:04,181 --> 01:17:09,481
say one of my friends jesse very very talented artist he would
1128
01:17:09,541 --> 01:17:12,721
draw these mini characters or we call like super deformed characters
1129
01:17:12,721 --> 01:17:15,381
now but he did a little one with the more we're big
1130
01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:18,201
mortal kombat fans when it came out in arcades that's all
1131
01:17:18,201 --> 01:17:21,801
we played and we used to kill people until we got killed ourselves and then
1132
01:17:21,801 --> 01:17:24,601
we got better but we used to win tournaments go to tournaments we actually
1133
01:17:24,601 --> 01:17:27,761
got pseudo endorsed by midway kind
1134
01:17:27,761 --> 01:17:30,601
of to play their arcade games and when mortal kombat 2
1135
01:17:30,601 --> 01:17:33,361
came out we were able to kind of test it before the
1136
01:17:33,361 --> 01:17:37,001
final version but anyways he made he made
1137
01:17:37,001 --> 01:17:39,861
a comic kind of illustration because you able to
1138
01:17:39,861 --> 01:17:43,301
send your art in to game pro and sometimes they
1139
01:17:43,301 --> 01:17:47,681
would you know put it in there artists of the month and he got it and it was
1140
01:17:47,681 --> 01:17:51,001
for him oh well yeah it was for his mortal kombat character line and it was
1141
01:17:51,001 --> 01:17:54,861
dope and like there were so many comments on it later on people you know in
1142
01:17:54,861 --> 01:17:58,561
the next issue you're able to comment on some of the art and some of the issues
1143
01:17:58,561 --> 01:18:02,401
that they had with certain reviews and on the next magazine.
1144
01:18:02,901 --> 01:18:08,201
Yeah, man, so props to Jesse on that one, man. He did it. He still has the original
1145
01:18:08,201 --> 01:18:12,121
piece, and yeah, he did a fantastic job on this. I'll show it to you one day. It's really good.
1146
01:18:12,581 --> 01:18:18,901
Number 11 from Game Reformers 2009, 100 top games of all time was Legend of
1147
01:18:18,901 --> 01:18:20,901
Zelda Orca Arena of Time. Wow.
1148
01:18:22,761 --> 01:18:25,321
Wow. Number 12? Number 12? And
1149
01:18:25,321 --> 01:18:29,321
I would argue this game is better than Orca Arena of Time. Super Mario 64.
1150
01:18:30,481 --> 01:18:35,021
Ooh, I don't know if I But yeah, yeah. Did it occur to you at the time? Yes. Yes, absolutely.
1151
01:18:36,561 --> 01:18:39,261
Number 13, Contra, the original one.
1152
01:18:40,921 --> 01:18:45,441
Not my favorite Contra, but yeah, okay. I'm okay with that. Number 14,
1153
01:18:45,761 --> 01:18:47,081
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out.
1154
01:18:48,041 --> 01:18:53,041
Nope. In my opinion, maybe you disagree. I don't think it really should be on
1155
01:18:53,041 --> 01:18:54,261
top 100, in my opinion. Sorry.
1156
01:18:54,661 --> 01:18:58,821
I'd give it top 100. I wouldn't give it. Really? Yeah. I'd give it top 100. Top 100.
1157
01:19:00,048 --> 01:19:05,048
Close to like 80 yeah i don't know i i it's not a bad game but i played it not
1158
01:19:05,048 --> 01:19:09,108
recently not that long ago and to be honest man it's i don't know it doesn't
1159
01:19:09,108 --> 01:19:12,488
i understand the influence obviously and what it did all i get so with that
1160
01:19:12,488 --> 01:19:15,148
but i cannot see myself playing that game for more
1161
01:19:15,448 --> 01:19:18,668
than like five minutes yeah i don't know
1162
01:19:18,668 --> 01:19:21,368
number 15 and this one gets me a
1163
01:19:21,368 --> 01:19:24,388
little upset to think that it's behind mike tyson's
1164
01:19:24,388 --> 01:19:27,688
punch out is chrono trigger yeah yeah
1165
01:19:27,688 --> 01:19:30,608
because if you played chrono trigger and
1166
01:19:30,608 --> 01:19:34,388
you're into rpgs i mean come on yeah i mean
1167
01:19:34,388 --> 01:19:37,288
some would argue that chrono trigger is better than final fantasy you
1168
01:19:37,288 --> 01:19:40,828
know what i mean 100 agree with that a thousand a thousand
1169
01:19:40,828 --> 01:19:43,988
percent agree with that number 16 is
1170
01:19:43,988 --> 01:19:47,288
golden eye 007 very influential influential
1171
01:19:47,288 --> 01:19:50,188
game change the first change the first person
1172
01:19:50,188 --> 01:19:54,768
genre and the control scheme for first person shooters and you had the split
1173
01:19:54,768 --> 01:19:58,488
screen man the four player split screen game changer in my opinion kind of did
1174
01:19:58,488 --> 01:20:01,408
what doom did you know what i mean like it changed the first person shooter
1175
01:20:01,408 --> 01:20:08,848
yeah yep that i doom golden eye and halo for sure changed the first version yeah 100 and
1176
01:20:09,068 --> 01:20:13,148
golden eye got to give props to the the menu music man some of the best ever
1177
01:20:13,148 --> 01:20:18,808
oh heck yeah heck yeah number 17 now even though i know you're gonna say some
1178
01:20:18,808 --> 01:20:21,088
shit about this i want to make it very clear to you.
1179
01:20:21,648 --> 01:20:26,348
I love this game. You know that I do. But I don't think it deserves to be...
1180
01:20:26,828 --> 01:20:30,208
Well, I take it back. I do believe it deserves to be in the top 15.
1181
01:20:31,108 --> 01:20:37,368
It definitely deserves to be after Mike Tyson's punch-out, and that is Metal
1182
01:20:37,368 --> 01:20:39,568
Gear Solid. No, too late. Metal Gear Solid.
1183
01:20:41,568 --> 01:20:44,368
That's number 17. Metal Gear Solid. What do you think? Which...
1184
01:20:46,668 --> 01:20:50,848
The PlayStation, right? PlayStation version. Yeah, the original PS1 version, yeah.
1185
01:20:50,908 --> 01:20:55,088
I'd put that above a lot of those games on the top 20.
1186
01:20:56,308 --> 01:20:59,668
We talked about, for those who haven't heard, if you go back to our,
1187
01:20:59,748 --> 01:21:02,908
I think our last episode or the episode before that, you and I did a whole deep
1188
01:21:02,908 --> 01:21:03,728
dive on Metal Gear Solid.
1189
01:21:03,908 --> 01:21:07,168
Yeah. And we talked about the influence on that game. Metal Gear Solid 1,
1190
01:21:07,388 --> 01:21:11,508
and again, we don't want to repeat that, but I'll just say for those who didn't
1191
01:21:11,508 --> 01:21:14,108
hear that, go listen to it, because really, it changes.
1192
01:21:14,928 --> 01:21:16,988
That game changes everything, man. Yep.
1193
01:21:17,848 --> 01:21:23,908
Changes the presentation of the games. It was so creative. The way Kojima did the control scheme.
1194
01:21:24,148 --> 01:21:29,628
Go back to our previous episodes. We did a complete deep dive in its influence
1195
01:21:29,628 --> 01:21:35,708
and the way it changed the way games were presented and made and more movie-like.
1196
01:21:35,808 --> 01:21:37,488
That was the first movie-like game I've ever played.
1197
01:21:38,596 --> 01:21:44,176
Number 18, Castlevania Sympathy of the Night I can't hate on that one,
1198
01:21:44,256 --> 01:21:50,596
man That one deserves top 20, I think Again, it should be not next to fucking,
1199
01:21:51,656 --> 01:21:55,376
not next to Mike Tyson's punch out or whatever,
1200
01:21:56,456 --> 01:22:03,256
Number 19, Galaga Yeah I completely agree with that, because Galaga is one of
1201
01:22:03,256 --> 01:22:07,676
my all-time favorite games Another game that you could turn on I can tell you
1202
01:22:07,676 --> 01:22:10,756
Galaga I have game room. I have arcade games in my game room.
1203
01:22:11,276 --> 01:22:13,956
Yep. I will turn them all on.
1204
01:22:14,676 --> 01:22:17,196
And somebody always playing Galaga.
1205
01:22:18,076 --> 01:22:23,576
100%. It's like Pac-Man. Yes. Well, probably Pac-Man was cool when I gave it
1206
01:22:23,576 --> 01:22:24,316
was the first one, but Ms.
1207
01:22:24,376 --> 01:22:26,876
Pac-Man was way better. But yeah, Galaga.
1208
01:22:27,376 --> 01:22:29,216
Absolutely. Dude, that deserve to be up there.
1209
01:22:29,796 --> 01:22:35,676
This next one. I don't agree with it all, but whatever. I'm dumb. Is the NHL PA 93.
1210
01:22:36,776 --> 01:22:40,416
Oh, NHL 93 was freaking awesome, dude.
1211
01:22:41,236 --> 01:22:48,596
Yeah. Top 20. No, no, no, no, no, no. I put that bottom 50 or lower.
1212
01:22:49,156 --> 01:22:52,036
I would say, yeah, bottom 50 or lower.
1213
01:22:52,196 --> 01:22:59,496
But that was, yeah, that game, that was one of the best sports games ever made.
1214
01:22:59,576 --> 01:23:02,876
That game was so freaking good, dude. But top 20 now.
1215
01:23:03,436 --> 01:23:06,016
All right. So now I'm not going to go through all of them because we'll be here
1216
01:23:06,016 --> 01:23:09,036
all night. So I'm just going to hit some pinpoints here. So I'm a little,
1217
01:23:09,136 --> 01:23:10,236
like, basically every five or ten.
1218
01:23:10,376 --> 01:23:14,476
So number 25, Warlords. Atari 2600. Nope.
1219
01:23:15,196 --> 01:23:19,456
Yeah, I don't... Even the arcade version's better. Nope.
1220
01:23:21,396 --> 01:23:26,676
Number... Number 30. Number 30 is Super Mario Bros. 2.
1221
01:23:27,976 --> 01:23:33,756
I'm sorry, dude. When you talk about the Super Mario games...
1222
01:23:34,896 --> 01:23:39,296
Nobody is putting Super Mario Brothers 2 in their top three.
1223
01:23:39,976 --> 01:23:44,376
No, none. Not even top ten, I would argue. How is it? Come on.
1224
01:23:44,456 --> 01:23:45,936
It's not even a Super Mario game.
1225
01:23:47,096 --> 01:23:50,376
Like I said, it was a Palette Swap game for, I forgot what it was called.
1226
01:23:50,896 --> 01:23:54,516
For a joke. Yeah, yeah. It's not even a Super Mario game.
1227
01:23:56,256 --> 01:23:59,916
It's like they changed it for that game and then they went back to the original
1228
01:23:59,916 --> 01:24:02,636
formula after that. It's not even a Super Mario game, dude.
1229
01:24:02,916 --> 01:24:06,916
Dude, again, this list is so Nintendo-biased, dude.
1230
01:24:07,156 --> 01:24:11,156
You can tell these people never had any other console.
1231
01:24:12,076 --> 01:24:15,576
For those who want to see this list, I'm actually going to link it to the episode,
1232
01:24:15,736 --> 01:24:19,536
because I think this is a big part of the episode now. This is going to piss me off, dude.
1233
01:24:20,716 --> 01:24:25,136
And then two above it, just two above it, number 32, which I would argue is
1234
01:24:25,136 --> 01:24:26,776
a better game than Super Mario Bros.
1235
01:24:26,876 --> 01:24:29,396
2, is Mega Man 2 at number 32.
1236
01:24:29,676 --> 01:24:34,436
Yeah, dude, Mega Man 2 is way, come on, Oh my god, dude.
1237
01:24:34,496 --> 01:24:37,956
How is Mega Man 2 below fucking Super Mario Bros. 2?
1238
01:24:38,836 --> 01:24:42,556
In what communist world are we living in right now?
1239
01:24:43,676 --> 01:24:45,336
Remember, this was in 2009.
1240
01:24:46,876 --> 01:24:50,596
They're wrong then, they're wrong now. Alright, let's keep going.
1241
01:24:50,796 --> 01:24:53,336
Let's go number 40. Number 40.
1242
01:24:54,556 --> 01:25:00,556
We'll do 40. Number 40 is Final Fantasy 2. Oh my god. Dude.
1243
01:25:03,336 --> 01:25:10,276
Is there any TurboGrafx game in there? Is Bomberman for TurboGrafx up there? Ninja Spirits?
1244
01:25:11,016 --> 01:25:16,076
Is there any Sega game in there? Can we get a Shining Force 3? Can we get...
1245
01:25:16,796 --> 01:25:20,896
Dragon Warrior? What did you say? Akari Warriors? Oh, Dragon Warrior.
1246
01:25:21,416 --> 01:25:23,136
Yeah, there you go. Where's Dragon Warrior?
1247
01:25:23,796 --> 01:25:26,216
Dragon Warrior is in the third. Hold on. I'm thinking of Dragon Force.
1248
01:25:26,376 --> 01:25:29,656
No, Dragon Warrior is... Come on, man.
1249
01:25:30,556 --> 01:25:36,836
Okay, let's keep going. Let's keep going. All right. Let's do number 45.
1250
01:25:39,636 --> 01:25:43,416
Final Fantasy Tactics. I like tactics, dude.
1251
01:25:43,916 --> 01:25:50,796
I love tactics, too, but here's what's funny. From 45 to 40, right?
1252
01:25:51,056 --> 01:25:53,736
You have 40 is Final Fantasy 2.
1253
01:25:54,376 --> 01:25:56,236
43 is Final Fantasy 9.
1254
01:25:57,056 --> 01:26:01,936
45 is Final Fantasy Tactics. Dude, come on. Okay, so here's the thing.
1255
01:26:01,996 --> 01:26:04,376
Final Fantasy Tactics borrowed. We're talking about influence.
1256
01:26:05,496 --> 01:26:11,036
One of the first strategic games ever brought to America was Military Madness
1257
01:26:11,036 --> 01:26:17,096
and then best one as far as role-playing was Shining Force.
1258
01:26:17,856 --> 01:26:24,956
Is Shining Force 1, 2, or 3 anywhere above that? Let me see.
1259
01:26:26,176 --> 01:26:27,976
I'm scrolling through here, buddy. Okay.
1260
01:26:30,107 --> 01:26:33,007
Still don't see it. These motherfuckers never had a Sega console, man.
1261
01:26:34,087 --> 01:26:36,847
And that's what's killing me, is they're rating the best video games of all
1262
01:26:36,847 --> 01:26:39,347
time, but what did you have?
1263
01:26:39,427 --> 01:26:42,447
You had a PC, you had NES, and a Super Nintendo.
1264
01:26:43,047 --> 01:26:46,047
You had nothing else. There's no way, dude.
1265
01:26:46,667 --> 01:26:50,307
There is some Sega games, so we'll get to that in a second. Let's just keep
1266
01:26:50,307 --> 01:26:52,387
going up the list in this crazy order here.
1267
01:26:52,707 --> 01:26:56,327
So 45 did that, so let's go to 50.
1268
01:26:57,347 --> 01:27:00,707
50 is Virtua Tennis. There we go.
1269
01:27:02,367 --> 01:27:07,847
One of the best sports games, battle games, four-player onslaught.
1270
01:27:07,967 --> 01:27:12,287
We lost so many hours of sleep in virtual tennis. It's insane.
1271
01:27:12,967 --> 01:27:17,507
We lost friendships all over that game, dude. Top 50, you think. That good?
1272
01:27:18,307 --> 01:27:20,967
It's that good. Virtual tennis is that good.
1273
01:27:21,947 --> 01:27:25,747
It's long on steroids, man. It's that good. And what they did,
1274
01:27:25,807 --> 01:27:28,707
because it was an arcade game, but when they brought it to the Dreamcast,
1275
01:27:28,707 --> 01:27:34,887
they put a single player kind of like challenge mode in there which grabs you
1276
01:27:34,887 --> 01:27:38,867
and makes you better and the fact that you can play that game just looking at
1277
01:27:38,867 --> 01:27:43,207
the VMU if you wanted to the game is so good man such a good sports,
1278
01:27:43,887 --> 01:27:48,467
wait hold on is that the first same game I'm gonna have to go to the back again
1279
01:27:48,467 --> 01:27:57,907
sorry it's a it might have been yeah from 50 to 1 right goddamn embarrassment these boys and,
1280
01:27:58,747 --> 01:28:02,467
NHL PA-93 was the Sega game it was on. No, it was on Super Nintendo 2.
1281
01:28:03,487 --> 01:28:10,307
Okay. You're telling me Panzer Dragoon, Zwei, Saga isn't up there?
1282
01:28:11,427 --> 01:28:15,507
Top 50? Are you kidding me? Streets of Rage 2 isn't a top 50 game?
1283
01:28:16,327 --> 01:28:19,047
That's actually, you're right. That's the, that's technically the only,
1284
01:28:19,107 --> 01:28:21,467
like, 50, or the only, like, Sega game.
1285
01:28:21,647 --> 01:28:24,347
I mean, dude, not even Sonic isn't in the top 50. That's what I'm saying.
1286
01:28:24,587 --> 01:28:30,907
Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 I mean even though I'm not the biggest Sonic fan but
1287
01:28:30,907 --> 01:28:36,007
you gotta recognize you know the influence on it they're still making these
1288
01:28:36,007 --> 01:28:40,267
games to this day one of the best selling games on a Nintendo to this day and
1289
01:28:40,267 --> 01:28:43,067
they're not up there like come on man,
1290
01:28:43,907 --> 01:28:47,407
but then here's where it gets where it's a little interesting and again we don't
1291
01:28:47,407 --> 01:28:52,867
have to go detail on everything but 51 and 52 51 is a Ridge Racer that's awesome
1292
01:28:52,867 --> 01:28:57,427
them yeah but top 100 I don't know for me I don't know.
1293
01:28:58,969 --> 01:29:01,789
Number 52, Lode Runner. That's a wild one.
1294
01:29:02,749 --> 01:29:07,229
Yeah, it was fun in the arcade. I have it on my links, I think.
1295
01:29:07,809 --> 01:29:11,949
Yeah. I know some fans. I know a friend of mine, Dylan, is a huge Lode Runner
1296
01:29:11,949 --> 01:29:15,529
fan. But yeah, no, I'm thinking Stun Runner, not Lode Runner. Lode Runner?
1297
01:29:15,829 --> 01:29:20,529
Yeah, that was a little platformer. Good game, but out of the top 100? Really?
1298
01:29:21,349 --> 01:29:25,949
I don't know. But this next one, I really like, and I think it does deserve to be top 100.
1299
01:29:26,369 --> 01:29:31,549
Maybe not necessarily 54. 154, maybe... I think top 75 would make sense.
1300
01:29:31,949 --> 01:29:35,629
Tenchu, Stealth Assassins. Yeah, Tenchu was a game changer, for sure.
1301
01:29:36,589 --> 01:29:40,089
And here's the thing, people always tell me all the time, oh man,
1302
01:29:40,489 --> 01:29:42,289
did you ever play this game called Tenchu Wrath of Heaven?
1303
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:46,649
You know what I mean? Well, a lot of people don't know this,
1304
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:52,129
but Sekiro was actually gonna be the next Tenchu, and it was titled Tenchu until
1305
01:29:52,129 --> 01:29:54,789
the very end. They changed the name to Sekiro.
1306
01:29:54,909 --> 01:29:58,769
Because From Software bought off the rights to, from I think it was Activision
1307
01:29:58,769 --> 01:30:05,289
at the time, they brought the rights to Tenchu after the Wii version. Oh, yeah.
1308
01:30:06,309 --> 01:30:09,249
But yeah, if you play Sekiro, it plays very much like a Tenchu,
1309
01:30:09,309 --> 01:30:11,489
but the game was so hard, but it was so precise.
1310
01:30:11,929 --> 01:30:16,169
It wasn't just about hacking and slashing. It was very strategic. I love Tenchu, man.
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01:30:17,509 --> 01:30:22,249
I'm going to come back. Number 60, Donkey Kong. See, I think the original Donkey
1312
01:30:22,249 --> 01:30:24,349
Kong, I think it needs to be higher.
1313
01:30:25,029 --> 01:30:28,269
I would agree, too. Especially if you're basing this based upon influence,
1314
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:31,909
which clearly you can tell some of these are based upon influence.
1315
01:30:32,969 --> 01:30:36,289
You're going to put Super Mario Bros. 2 above Donkey Kong.
1316
01:30:36,449 --> 01:30:40,089
My app. Dude, you're going to put Mike Tyson's Punch-Out above Donkey Kong.
1317
01:30:40,129 --> 01:30:42,509
Yeah, no way, dude. No way.
1318
01:30:43,529 --> 01:30:48,429
And then here's your Sega. Number 61 is Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
1319
01:30:49,029 --> 01:30:54,829
Such a great game. Yeah, such a phenomenal game. Alright, let me just scroll some more here.
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01:30:55,409 --> 01:30:58,289
I did miss a bunch obviously, but we're not going to break through all these, man.
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01:30:59,469 --> 01:31:03,869
Number 74 is Soul Calibur. Ooh, yeah.
1322
01:31:04,909 --> 01:31:10,749
Yeah. And the thing is, the home version blew away, was it Soul Blade in the arcade? Yep.
1323
01:31:11,869 --> 01:31:16,869
And one of the most beautiful games ever made. I remember seeing that thing
1324
01:31:16,869 --> 01:31:18,549
in action the first time and I was like, wow.
1325
01:31:19,369 --> 01:31:21,769
Graphics are never going to be better than this.
1326
01:31:22,769 --> 01:31:25,669
You know what I mean? When you first saw you're like oh my god
1327
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:29,509
dude that the strings coming off their gi or whatever they're wearing their
1328
01:31:29,509 --> 01:31:34,929
hair flowing the different camera angles deep fighting like you could button
1329
01:31:34,929 --> 01:31:38,669
mash if you wanted to but if you knew somebody if you fought somebody who knew
1330
01:31:38,669 --> 01:31:42,109
what they were doing knew how to counter without a parry you were dead dude
1331
01:31:42,109 --> 01:31:43,749
you were you were 100 dead.
1332
01:31:45,861 --> 01:31:52,721
And here's where your anger readers are going to go up. Number 78, Panzer Dragoon Saga.
1333
01:31:53,881 --> 01:31:56,861
Let's just cut off the podcast right now.
1334
01:31:57,061 --> 01:32:04,681
Because for that game, that phenomenal role-playing game that used to be a shooter,
1335
01:32:04,861 --> 01:32:07,481
a rail shooter, for them to change that up.
1336
01:32:07,561 --> 01:32:15,401
And to this day, RPGs utilize some of the techniques and gameplay tactics that were made in that game.
1337
01:32:15,941 --> 01:32:19,421
And if anybody wants to look at the legacy of Panzer Dragoon Saga and the developers,
1338
01:32:19,661 --> 01:32:23,021
the tragedy that happened to a lot of them, a lot of people just died.
1339
01:32:23,441 --> 01:32:27,321
It was just like weird, dude. They lost the original code. So that game will
1340
01:32:27,321 --> 01:32:28,361
probably be never made again.
1341
01:32:28,881 --> 01:32:34,561
And again, it was a game that, yeah, I think they made less than 20,000 copies.
1342
01:32:34,661 --> 01:32:35,661
That's why it's so expensive.
1343
01:32:35,921 --> 01:32:39,981
If you try to find. Dude, they made less than that. I'm looking at it right now. How many?
1344
01:32:40,061 --> 01:32:44,081
It says they only less than 6,000 copies. Yeah, I have three of them.
1345
01:32:44,661 --> 01:32:47,821
Yeah. Yeah, and you're sealed, right? Yeah, well, I had four.
1346
01:32:47,841 --> 01:32:50,201
I gave one away. Two sealed and one open to play.
1347
01:32:50,441 --> 01:32:57,061
But anybody who played that game, and I had a friend who was a huge Final Fantasy VII fan.
1348
01:32:57,621 --> 01:33:00,641
And I said, you should give this game a try. He goes, yeah, I heard about that.
1349
01:33:00,701 --> 01:33:06,161
And I don't know if it was Game Fan or Game Pro, but they had their RPG of the
1350
01:33:06,161 --> 01:33:07,141
year and RPG of the month.
1351
01:33:07,361 --> 01:33:11,141
And there was a couple of them that put Panzer Dragoon above Final Fantasy VII.
1352
01:33:11,481 --> 01:33:13,901
And there was a bunch of people talking shit like, no way, dude.
1353
01:33:13,901 --> 01:33:15,061
I was like, have you played it?
1354
01:33:15,541 --> 01:33:18,161
No. Yeah. Because you don't have a Saturn. And that's my point.
1355
01:33:18,201 --> 01:33:22,621
It's like, if you're going to put, you know, try to compare games, play them both.
1356
01:33:22,941 --> 01:33:26,221
And the random battles in Final Fantasy VII just killed it for me.
1357
01:33:26,601 --> 01:33:28,961
Yeah. It was just, it was super repetitive.
1358
01:33:30,421 --> 01:33:34,081
Not saying it wasn't a great game. It was a great game. But Panzer Raguna Mi
1359
01:33:34,081 --> 01:33:36,481
blew it out of the water when it came to a role-playing game.
1360
01:33:36,681 --> 01:33:42,661
The story, the language that they used, the art, just the whole world just sucks you in.
1361
01:33:42,661 --> 01:33:45,901
And the way they tied it in to number one and number two and then eventually
1362
01:33:45,901 --> 01:33:50,741
order comes out and we'll not even talk about Crimson Dragon but and they made
1363
01:33:50,741 --> 01:33:54,721
a they made a pocket version of it for the for the game for the game gear,
1364
01:33:55,581 --> 01:33:59,781
do Panzer Dragoon saga I think I put that,
1365
01:34:00,461 --> 01:34:05,601
for sure in my top 10 of all time sure yeah for sure I think we should do a
1366
01:34:05,601 --> 01:34:10,021
Panzer Dragoon episode one day oh man you know it's gonna be a fucking podcast
1367
01:34:10,021 --> 01:34:12,741
dude I mean we're already at two hours here so fuck it,
1368
01:34:14,501 --> 01:34:20,441
weren't we supposed to only go 45 minutes yeah well there this is too good to
1369
01:34:20,441 --> 01:34:24,961
let go right now this top 100 but think about this my sir,
1370
01:34:26,597 --> 01:34:31,817
Mike Tyson's punch out is still higher than President Groot's saga.
1371
01:34:35,897 --> 01:34:40,797
I'm so distraught right now. I know. I'm going to start drinking heavily.
1372
01:34:41,597 --> 01:34:44,877
Oh, you're so insane. All right, let's get to it. We're almost near the end.
1373
01:34:45,137 --> 01:34:48,277
Number 80 and number 81 are interesting because they're PC games.
1374
01:34:48,757 --> 01:34:53,637
I would actually argue number 80 should be in the top 50, and that is The Sims.
1375
01:34:54,717 --> 01:34:59,037
I'll give it top 50. I know you probably weren't into it, but you know what
1376
01:34:59,037 --> 01:35:00,817
that game did for Casual Gamer.
1377
01:35:01,037 --> 01:35:03,517
Oh, my gosh. The Casual Gamer and the Female Gamer.
1378
01:35:04,637 --> 01:35:08,757
The Female Gamer. The Female Gamer. Yeah, the Female Gamer. And we're talking
1379
01:35:08,757 --> 01:35:10,617
the older generation. Moms played it.
1380
01:35:11,077 --> 01:35:16,257
Yeah. And, yeah, it was one of the best simulations as a life sim.
1381
01:35:16,637 --> 01:35:19,757
You know, this is before, you know, Animal Crossing and all this other stuff
1382
01:35:19,757 --> 01:35:24,257
that kind of borrowed from it. But, yeah, just a, you know, if you were to tell
1383
01:35:24,257 --> 01:35:26,897
the execs, hey, we're going to make a game about life.
1384
01:35:27,377 --> 01:35:29,357
Like, what are you talking about? Like, the game, board game life?
1385
01:35:29,457 --> 01:35:31,097
Like, no. Like, living your life.
1386
01:35:31,237 --> 01:35:36,317
Like, you know, upkeeping your house and getting a job and doing this remedial
1387
01:35:36,317 --> 01:35:39,557
tasks and changing your clothes and falling in love with somebody.
1388
01:35:39,697 --> 01:35:42,577
Like, what are you talking about? And it worked.
1389
01:35:43,277 --> 01:35:47,617
Yeah, it worked. And not only did it work, it became this phenomenon,
1390
01:35:47,817 --> 01:35:52,017
right? Very few games can become a phenomenon like that.
1391
01:35:52,117 --> 01:35:54,417
I remember there was a point in time there was going to be a movie produced
1392
01:35:54,417 --> 01:35:58,597
by Fox and it was going to be entirely in Simlish. Wow.
1393
01:36:00,397 --> 01:36:05,617
Actually, in one of our episodes of Uncle Dad Talks, we actually interviewed, she was the voice actor.
1394
01:36:05,777 --> 01:36:09,957
She did all the kids in The Sims, the original Sims, and she was also the lead
1395
01:36:09,957 --> 01:36:11,717
voice director for Sims 2.
1396
01:36:12,017 --> 01:36:14,797
Did she ever play Panzer Dragoon Saga? No.
1397
01:36:17,037 --> 01:36:20,497
Should ask her hey but
1398
01:36:20,497 --> 01:36:25,237
whatever fancy dragon saga beat that that's good right i got that little feather
1399
01:36:25,237 --> 01:36:31,197
in the cap but now this number 83 i would say right now i don't i don't even
1400
01:36:31,197 --> 01:36:35,617
believe this game deserves to be in top 100 controversial choice i'm sure kid
1401
01:36:35,617 --> 01:36:38,597
icarus no not top 100 again,
1402
01:36:39,197 --> 01:36:45,397
these people go on nes it's obvious yeah it's obvious they played a shit ton
1403
01:36:45,397 --> 01:36:52,817
of nes and that's And that's their memory games that they love, I'm sure.
1404
01:36:53,337 --> 01:36:57,717
If I were to take these editors and give them my top 100 list,
1405
01:36:57,937 --> 01:37:00,657
they would flip out as much as I'm flipping out right now.
1406
01:37:01,337 --> 01:37:03,237
Sure. Come on, dude.
1407
01:37:03,937 --> 01:37:07,397
I think Kid Icarus, in my opinion, is one of the most overrated NES games of all time.
1408
01:37:07,497 --> 01:37:11,177
Agreed. I think it's not that great of a game.
1409
01:37:11,277 --> 01:37:15,877
It really isn't. You go up, you shoot, move left to right. Meh. I could care less.
1410
01:37:16,577 --> 01:37:19,437
All right let's keep it going number 86 this is
1411
01:37:19,437 --> 01:37:22,777
an interesting one i would also argue this should be a top 50 is the
1412
01:37:22,777 --> 01:37:26,877
original tomb raider yeah yeah the
1413
01:37:26,877 --> 01:37:30,697
original tomb raider you know we talked about female protagonist you you brought
1414
01:37:30,697 --> 01:37:36,577
up lark loft yeah and and there's a lot of hype for the you know the the remastered
1415
01:37:36,577 --> 01:37:40,657
ones one two and three i believe are coming out yep yeah i think they actually
1416
01:37:40,657 --> 01:37:44,437
did tomb raider like digital yeah yeah digital tomb raider,
1417
01:37:45,077 --> 01:37:50,237
yeah i put tomb raider top 50 now this next one i know you have a lot to say.
1418
01:37:51,497 --> 01:37:54,777
Because i believe it should be up for a sports game should definitely be in
1419
01:37:54,777 --> 01:38:02,537
top 25 you played this game way more than i did nfl 2k5 no but we already passed
1420
01:38:02,537 --> 01:38:05,697
that it was somewhere else i'm not gonna get into that but another one close
1421
01:38:05,697 --> 01:38:10,237
to your heart number 87 hot shots golf oh Oh, hell yeah, dude.
1422
01:38:11,177 --> 01:38:15,657
Hot shots. Oh, man. Still, now it's called Everybody's Golf,
1423
01:38:15,777 --> 01:38:17,857
which it's always been called that, I guess, in Japan.
1424
01:38:18,277 --> 01:38:22,797
Okay. So deep. And I know Tire Woods was the big golf game here.
1425
01:38:23,297 --> 01:38:25,897
Before that, it was like EA Sports, PGA Golf.
1426
01:38:26,597 --> 01:38:31,737
But people could not get over the look of the characters, the cartoon characters,
1427
01:38:32,157 --> 01:38:33,517
the super deformed big heads.
1428
01:38:33,517 --> 01:38:39,397
But when you play the game, the game was so incredibly deep and skillful that
1429
01:38:39,397 --> 01:38:44,017
if anybody really got into it, I will guarantee you they'll be playing that
1430
01:38:44,017 --> 01:38:45,137
more than any Tiger Woods game.
1431
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:49,150
Everybody always talks about arcade golf games and they talk about Mario Golf.
1432
01:38:49,250 --> 01:38:50,390
Well, Mario Golf is good.
1433
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:55,790
Hot Shots Golf destroys it. Yeah. And the first Mario Golf was made because
1434
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:58,650
Clap Hands does the Hot Shots game.
1435
01:38:59,030 --> 01:39:03,430
But the very first one, I believe, was Camelot. And then Camelot did the Mario
1436
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:05,790
Golf before Clap Hands kind of took over.
1437
01:39:05,870 --> 01:39:10,010
And there's a bunch of people that came from that development team to do the Hot Shots Golf series.
1438
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:15,890
And Mario Golf is really good. Don't get me wrong, but it came from Hot Shots Golf.
1439
01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:22,450
Yeah 100 100 all right number 90 also another one i would argue to be top 50
1440
01:39:22,450 --> 01:39:29,970
super bomber man oh hell yeah dude uh super bomber man that was a super nintendo
1441
01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:34,830
version right i believe so yes so i would put the sega saturn version above that one i'd even put,
1442
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:38,290
the turbo version because turbo version was the first one that was the first
1443
01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:43,250
four player on the turbo graphics it was just bomber man at the time super bomber
1444
01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:45,370
man very good again i think
1445
01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:48,250
they're nintendo biased because although super
1446
01:39:48,250 --> 01:39:51,350
bomber man you could play the four i think you could play five player four player satellite
1447
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:54,250
with the extra controller plugged into the other
1448
01:39:54,250 --> 01:39:57,290
port i believe you could do five the sega
1449
01:39:57,290 --> 01:40:03,170
saturn version you could play 10 on one screen oh yeah i remember that i remember
1450
01:40:03,170 --> 01:40:09,330
that that's right 10 people and one of them and you can unlock a bonk to play
1451
01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:14,450
as uh one of the characters wow yeah and we're talking about intro music listen
1452
01:40:14,450 --> 01:40:17,270
to Saturn Bomberman's menu music.
1453
01:40:18,090 --> 01:40:21,390
So good. I put that up there with Goldeneye, man. So good.
1454
01:40:22,170 --> 01:40:28,170
Again, it was Nintendo players, but Saturn Bomberman was way better, dude.
1455
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:32,410
So, as we get to the end of this list, again, I'm skipping some,
1456
01:40:32,530 --> 01:40:37,170
but please, everybody, go check this list out. Go click the link in the description of this episode.
1457
01:40:37,450 --> 01:40:39,350
You'll see it, and you can follow along.
1458
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:44,350
Number 94 is going to piss you off. I know it. I know it. Fantasy Star,
1459
01:40:45,664 --> 01:40:52,984
The first one? The first one. I'm glad it's on the top 100. Yes.
1460
01:40:54,044 --> 01:40:57,564
I'd probably put it in the top 75. I wouldn't put much higher than that.
1461
01:40:58,064 --> 01:41:05,344
Because I think the other Final Stars that came out, two and three generations, were a better game.
1462
01:41:06,524 --> 01:41:09,864
But a lot of people don't know that that game,
1463
01:41:10,564 --> 01:41:17,484
when it came to America, was one of the first, you know, quote-unquote 3D,
1464
01:41:18,124 --> 01:41:22,984
first-person kind of role-playing games where you went through dungeons and
1465
01:41:22,984 --> 01:41:27,324
with the menu fighting and, you know, able to build relationships with your
1466
01:41:27,324 --> 01:41:30,344
other characters, the PAL system, if you will.
1467
01:41:30,444 --> 01:41:33,664
This is one of the first games to ever do that, way before its time.
1468
01:41:34,004 --> 01:41:37,184
I don't really mind where it's at. I'd like it a little bit higher,
1469
01:41:37,344 --> 01:41:41,864
but I'm just glad they recognized Phantasy Star as one of the best RPGs ever made.
1470
01:41:42,464 --> 01:41:49,404
All right. So as we get to the end, I'm going to do 97 to 100, okay? Yep.
1471
01:41:50,544 --> 01:41:54,384
97. Mortal Kombat 2. Okay.
1472
01:41:55,104 --> 01:42:00,524
I put Mortal Kombat 1 above number two only because it was the granddaddy.
1473
01:42:00,524 --> 01:42:01,384
It was the one that started it.
1474
01:42:01,464 --> 01:42:06,024
But I know Mortal Kombat 2 fought a lot faster and people liked that one a little
1475
01:42:06,024 --> 01:42:09,004
bit more, but I still find myself playing number one better. More.
1476
01:42:10,164 --> 01:42:15,824
Number 98 i really believe needs to be in top 25 maybe you disagree but i mean
1477
01:42:15,824 --> 01:42:21,844
literally countries dedicate themselves to this game and that is starcraft starcraft
1478
01:42:21,844 --> 01:42:28,764
i believe should be in the top 50 not top 25 huh i wouldn't put it top 25 only because of warcraft,
1479
01:42:29,464 --> 01:42:36,544
uh they're two different games though uh yes and no wait you say warcraft you
1480
01:42:36,544 --> 01:42:39,244
mean like warcraft Not World of Warcraft, right? Not World of Warcraft, no.
1481
01:42:40,024 --> 01:42:43,524
Okay, you mean just Warcraft. Gotcha. Okay, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair.
1482
01:42:43,764 --> 01:42:47,224
Warcraft or Warcraft 2 maybe, because without that, I don't think you have StarCraft,
1483
01:42:47,224 --> 01:42:49,684
but I think StarCraft started the whole...
1484
01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:53,960
That was when the internet was getting going and people were starting to have
1485
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,980
the PVP. Yeah. So yeah, Starcraft definitely needs to be higher.
1486
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,560
This one also, I agree. Things should be top top 75. This next one,
1487
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:05,700
not 99 house, the dead too. Oh.
1488
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:13,340
Yeah. I'm dude. Is that the first, well, you would have to go over the whole
1489
01:43:13,340 --> 01:43:14,640
list, but I'm thinking light shooters.
1490
01:43:14,740 --> 01:43:16,920
Is that the first light gun shooter?
1491
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:22,160
It's the only light shooter. Yeah. Oh man. Man, so I'm not propagating on that one, dude.
1492
01:43:24,140 --> 01:43:28,440
Still a blast to play to this day, no pun intended. Oh, there's no way you can...
1493
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:31,540
Lightguns in general. Actually, go back to our old episodes.
1494
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:36,000
We do a whole episode on that, too, Lightgun Games. Yep. And we talk a lot about House of the Dead, yep.
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Yes, that's right. Alright, and to finish this off, number 100.
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Number 100 is Apex Scape, which I would not even put on my top 200.
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01:43:47,380 --> 01:43:51,740
I would not put I would not put Ape Escape in probably my top 400.
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01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:53,940
Are you serious?
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01:43:55,940 --> 01:43:57,220
That's what kicks the list off
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01:43:57,220 --> 01:44:01,760
is episode 100. I'm sorry. Ape Escape is number 100. Isn't that insane?
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01:44:02,980 --> 01:44:06,620
There's no Shining Force 3 or Dragon Force, but there's Ape Escape.
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01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,360
Okay. Yes. Yes, I know. I know.
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Well, there might have been. Remember, we didn't do the whole list. There's probably not.
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01:44:16,300 --> 01:44:21,220
At this point, these guys have probably put away their Super Nintendo and started
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01:44:21,220 --> 01:44:22,360
playing PlayStation at this time.
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01:44:22,540 --> 01:44:24,900
You know what we're going to do? Because I really enjoyed this.
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01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:25,940
I'm going to tell you right now.
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Next episode. So this is the first of their top whatever games,
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01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,760
because this was the 100th issue, right?
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01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,160
So they do it again for issue 200.
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01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,600
I think you and I, next episode, should do just issue 200.
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01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:47,160
I guarantee you, their top 200 doesn't even have I've had to skip on it.
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01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:52,620
You did take it off? Oh, yeah. I think they realized, oh shit,
1514
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,780
we were 13 and we played Epikun and we loved it.
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01:44:56,100 --> 01:44:59,440
And it was... Dude, no. I hate this game.
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01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:05,060
So, I'm going to say it right now. I'm going to say it.
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01:45:05,260 --> 01:45:09,300
The next episode we're going to do a deep dive, and this time we'll do all 200
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01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:12,020
games on the episode. What do you think, sir?
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01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:15,620
Do you see Parappa anywhere in the top 100?
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01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:22,380
See I didn't think I didn't really see that many PlayStation games to be honest
1521
01:45:22,380 --> 01:45:24,800
they put Ape Escape above Parappa.
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01:45:28,380 --> 01:45:31,340
Yeah I don't see it fuck no dude no way.
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01:45:32,738 --> 01:45:37,298
And then it probably gets even harder for 200, right? Because this is 2009.
1524
01:45:37,818 --> 01:45:44,238
So that means somewhere around probably 2017 or between 2015 and 2020.
1525
01:45:44,998 --> 01:45:52,638
Or no, way before that. 2015 and 2017 probably was the 200 issue, right?
1526
01:45:52,878 --> 01:45:56,938
Yeah. So it'll probably even be harder. So you're not going to have games like Bioshock on there.
1527
01:45:57,198 --> 01:45:59,698
You're going to have... Actually, wait a minute. Bioshock came out already,
1528
01:45:59,818 --> 01:46:02,038
right? Yeah, Bioshock was out. I was going to ask you on it.
1529
01:46:02,038 --> 01:46:04,078
I'm looking at my games right now, and I'm like, dude, where's Bioshock?
1530
01:46:04,478 --> 01:46:09,698
I mean, but there's like no... I mean, there's got to be Street Fighter 2 on there, dude.
1531
01:46:09,998 --> 01:46:13,158
And just looking at the fighters, like Tekken through...
1532
01:46:14,158 --> 01:46:17,018
Again, I know you didn't go down the line, but I'm just saying,
1533
01:46:17,118 --> 01:46:20,138
like, all these games I think should have been mentioned.
1534
01:46:21,438 --> 01:46:26,918
Capcom, SNK 2. You know what I mean? So, Street Fighter is on the list. I did see it.
1535
01:46:27,118 --> 01:46:31,558
The other game you mentioned was on the list. Not Capcom, SNK. Or Capcom 2.
1536
01:46:32,198 --> 01:46:37,278
That's not all there no but like what i'm saying is like we let's be honest
1537
01:46:37,278 --> 01:46:42,318
everybody listen we did not intend to do to do this but i'm glad we did because
1538
01:46:42,318 --> 01:46:45,798
i really think i want to start what i'm going to call right now you gotta deal
1539
01:46:45,798 --> 01:46:48,258
with it mr nomad this is going to be our summer trilogy,
1540
01:46:48,778 --> 01:46:55,958
we are going to trilogize we're going to do this is episode one of the trilogy
1541
01:46:55,958 --> 01:47:02,218
where we rip apart heart and talk about Game Informer's top 100, 200, and 300.
1542
01:47:03,858 --> 01:47:10,658
So get ready everybody. This next episode is going to be complete. It'll be from 200 to 1.
1543
01:47:11,698 --> 01:47:17,078
100%. How do you put Super Mario Brothers to be above Super Metroid?
1544
01:47:18,958 --> 01:47:21,458
Super Metroid's not even on this list, just so you know. No way.
1545
01:47:21,998 --> 01:47:23,838
That's the end of the episode. I'm done.
1546
01:47:25,978 --> 01:47:32,338
Well, Well, in all good fun, I really had a great time with this episode with you, Nomad.
1547
01:47:32,398 --> 01:47:34,498
I think it was a lot of fun diving into the magazine memory.
1548
01:47:35,918 --> 01:47:39,438
But what we were talking about, the top 100 issues, the top 100 games, right?
1549
01:47:40,198 --> 01:47:43,138
That was the whole point of buying these magazines back then.
1550
01:47:43,258 --> 01:47:46,418
Yeah, 2009, the internet was still there, but it still wasn't what it was today.
1551
01:47:46,638 --> 01:47:48,618
I mean, this would have been your social media rant, right?
1552
01:47:48,918 --> 01:47:51,218
You would have tapped on it. You would have posted about it.
1553
01:47:51,278 --> 01:47:52,778
You'd be like, can you fucking believe it? Right?
1554
01:47:53,298 --> 01:47:57,898
You know, like this would have been it. and that that that ability to do that
1555
01:47:57,898 --> 01:48:00,678
yeah you can still do it in list but there was something about getting that
1556
01:48:00,678 --> 01:48:06,058
magazine you waited months for it and then you open it up and you're like oh my god right yeah.
1557
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:11,430
Get out there if you can find these issues check them
1558
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:14,250
out there's so much it's like it's like every magazine you find
1559
01:48:14,250 --> 01:48:17,070
especially in the later the later years right like
1560
01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:19,710
a game informer a late game informer game a
1561
01:48:19,710 --> 01:48:22,510
game fan or what you said nintendo power
1562
01:48:22,510 --> 01:48:26,030
any of those right they're like going into a little bitty time machines and
1563
01:48:26,030 --> 01:48:29,210
just remembering what because even the ads we can talk about the ads remember
1564
01:48:29,210 --> 01:48:35,210
like how ads were so of the era you know yep so go check those out and i And
1565
01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:39,790
I will definitely tag this link into the description of the episode. Yeah.
1566
01:48:40,170 --> 01:48:44,890
You guys just found, or this episode just found, our first ever event series.
1567
01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:47,270
Because we do that in Uncle Dan Talks quite often.
1568
01:48:47,530 --> 01:48:51,890
But I think we're going to do it for this. So next episode, me and Nomad will
1569
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:55,190
dive Game Informer's top 200 from 200 to 1.
1570
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:58,310
Are you ready for that, Sean? Yeah, I am. And we could talk about the cigarette
1571
01:48:58,310 --> 01:49:00,150
ads that used to be in Video Game Magazine, too.
1572
01:49:01,510 --> 01:49:05,290
That's right. Yeah, that's right. They have Newport ads, and they're like, what?
1573
01:49:07,130 --> 01:49:09,610
Right, that's right. That's like old comic books, too, had that.
1574
01:49:10,610 --> 01:49:13,530
All right, everybody. We officially hit exactly two hours.
1575
01:49:14,250 --> 01:49:19,550
So, thank you guys for listening. As always, you can find my co-host,
1576
01:49:19,690 --> 01:49:23,010
Retro Gaming Nomad, you can find him on Instagram, and your Instagram handle is what, sir?
1577
01:49:24,110 --> 01:49:27,070
Retro Gaming Nomad, all one word.
1578
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:30,550
Yes, go check him out. He posts a lot of great stuff. And of course,
1579
01:49:30,570 --> 01:49:33,970
you can follow us at Uncle Dad Talks. And the main show, of course,
1580
01:49:34,030 --> 01:49:35,590
you can always find on our main stream.
1581
01:49:36,590 --> 01:49:40,370
Good stuff. We have some fun coming up, too. We're going to be at StocktonCon.
1582
01:49:40,530 --> 01:49:42,410
This episode will be released before that.
1583
01:49:42,630 --> 01:49:46,270
You might even get to see Retro Gaming Nomad. He might be hanging out with us,
1584
01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:47,410
so keep an eye out for that.
1585
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:51,590
And yeah, StocktonCon this weekend. Go check it out. StocktonCon is going to
1586
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:56,990
be at the Stockton Arena on July 13th and 14th. We'll see you then.
1587
01:49:57,670 --> 01:50:02,050
All right, everybody. uh remember even though we all got worked up today we
1588
01:50:02,050 --> 01:50:06,730
just remember one thing peace love game on see you all next week game on so.
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Music.
