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Music.
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Teddy and i am spending a lot of time with this taliban unit,
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and as we get drawn deeper into
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their world there are things about ourselves
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that i have to be very careful not to reveal i think i am the first person to
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have their testosterone injection in a meeting room for most of my life i've
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been caught between identities i'm asking a question for myself how much of
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that gender is influenced by society.
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I feel more comfortable with the Taliban in Afghanistan than I do in a queer bar in Sydney.
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It's like in Australia I've got this label on my forehead with these Talibs. I'm just a man.
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May God make sure that everyone who thinks we're Jordan is the same.
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May God make sure that everyone who thinks we're Jordan is the same.
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My nerves are shot. There are too many interwoven threads.
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Afghanistan is falling to pieces and everybody is trying to leave.
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Are they going door to door?
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Teddy has so much to be stressed about. This is the first time that I didn't trust him.
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He has to bond with the very people that destroyed his country.
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So he has all this and covering for me to worry about.
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You don't know anything. As far as you understand, I'm a man. Promise me. Camilo!
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Music.
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Every time one of them gets a phone call, my heart skips a beat.
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I will come back and we will both leave together. We don't have anywhere to go. You trust me, right?
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Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Uncle Dad Talks.
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With me is actually not this time.
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That's right, your beloved and ever so handsome Mike Hampton is doing big things
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all over the world right now.
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So I am actually joined by a different sexy man.
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Give it up for the, maybe not as sexy, but just close enough,
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the sexy Rick of Sigma Duocast. What's up, Rick?
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Oh, good, man. It's a different flavor of sexy. You know what I mean? It's a Latin heat.
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There you go there we go slam heat he's the
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cajun he's the cajun uh the raging cajun and you're the latin heat
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i like it i love that i think
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i'm gonna be joined by just like a a series of wrestlers it sounds like right
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i got the raging cajun and the latin heat with uncle dad to that eddie guerrero
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music bro i like that i like that uh what's up rick you are this week's guest
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host of a series of guest hosts that will be filling in for Mike while he's
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away doing big things overseas.
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How do you feel about being in Mike's seat right now?
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I'm not going to lie, man. It's,
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I got a big seat to fill. Not that he's a big guy, but he has big feet.
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No, I'm excited, man. I hope to not only do Mike's position,
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but also for, for you guys, for uncle, dad, and all of all the listeners.
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Hopefully I can bring that.
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It's going to be the Latino, but you know, maybe that Cajun style for you guys today. So I'm excited.
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Hey, you know, Latin food and Cajun food. It's all spicy. spicy this
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is true rick just do
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me a quick favor can you tell our audience where they can find you and
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where uh you come from not like where you're from but like
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oh yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna drop my whole ad address you know yeah i'm i'm the
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host for sigma duocast so you guys can find me at sigma duocast apple podcast
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spotify i predominantly do social media is instagram so So again,
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Sigma Duo Cast on Instagram.
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Yeah, go check him out. And if you haven't heard him here before,
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he has done some help with us in the past. I believe you've done two things for us now?
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Yes. Yeah, you did the interview for Pixar, correct?
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Yep. And then you did our Santa Barbara International Film Festival coverage,
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correct? Oh, and then we also did the Halloween.
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Oh, that's right. You were on that too. Yeah, yeah. That's right.
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Yeah. Yeah, so Rick has been helping us out here and there.
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And so, you know, it's something I'm going to start doing now when Mike is away.
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I'm going to see about bringing the other podcasters in that are friends of
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mine. When Mike is away, the casters will play.
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Oh, I like that. I like that. I'm going to tell Mike to make that a sticker.
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But today's episode is interesting because we are doing a, and you technically
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have not done, or no, you've never done one with me before.
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We're doing an interview with a filmmaker and a journalist about their documentary.
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And we'll dive into the documentary later, but the name of the documentary is
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Transition and Rick, go ahead and tell them, who are we interviewing today?
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Oh yeah, so today we're interviewing the essentially star, director,
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writer, everything involved in this film.
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His name is Jordan Bryan, if I'm correctly, from Australia.
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Really, really awesome story and film that they put together here today, man.
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I'm like really blown away. And then the filmmaker is?
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Jordan Byron. No, we're also doing the filmmaker too, remember?
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Oh, we are? Yeah. Oh, that's right. right monica monica
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miyamizara say that
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one more time sir monica viamizara yeah that's okay american director mike would
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have done the same thing so you're all right you know i was looking at the top
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of my because i have i read i read the emails i read i forgot to scroll though
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yeah right that That sounds about right.
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Keep them up for me. That's what Mike would say.
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But yeah, so it's been a really good episode. We're going to try to keep this about 20, 30 minutes.
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But before we do that, before we head to go do that interview,
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we got to talk about the people who are powering this show.
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And we have a couple of people powering the show. First up, we need to talk
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about Rogue Energy Drink.
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Now, Rogue Energy Drink is Mike.
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See, I've been calling you Mike already.
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It's pretty much almost the same thing. Rick and Mike.
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Rick you are a gamer i'm a gamer and when
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you play games and you're playing those long hours don't you
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wish you had that boost of energy to keep you going oh absolutely
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like what is happening yeah what is not focusing so i
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energy formula where basically you can use it and it'll
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kind of change the way you play your game no
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actually that's not true but it but no in
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all seriousness this is a dietary supplement that will actually help
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pricing ah all right how does that sound to you rick oh that's fantastic i'm
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gonna listen to the guy i think he was doing something about some mock drafts
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or something because the nfl season's about to start so it's pretty exciting yes nfl season's.
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Maybe NFL season's about to start. Yeah, once signings happen and once practice
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and all that stuff starts happening, the season's starting, baby.
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Not actual playing, but it's happening.
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See, that's why this podcast is great, because I'm not a sports fanatic. I'm just a sports fan.
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You are a fanatic. Oh, yes. And you are a Broncos fan, right?
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Yes, sir. Denver Broncos. I'm sorry.
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I am too right now. We can't figure out our quarterbacks. But we have,
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hey, we have the ex-Cajun running our team and Sean Payton.
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So he's bringing his New Orleans Saints to Denver. There you go.
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Mike would be proud, I guess.
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Drew Brees is going to come out of retirement. Watch out. Oh,
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no pretty much i think it's on all of them all the predominant ones all right
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All right, everybody, Uncle Dad here. We have a very exciting guest,
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as you heard in our interview. I'm so excited for this one. Rick,
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just really quickly say hello. Hello.
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Hi how's it going everyone uh we are here with someone who has a story to tell
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and i just want them to introduce themselves really fast jordan by brian i can
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never say your last name i'm sorry,
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can you please say your last name so i know it brian brian i it's so funny so
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on this show i say everybody's last name wrong i just have the hardest time
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with last names but jordan brian Brian,
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please introduce yourself to our audience and we will go from there.
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Okay. G'day, g'day, g'day. I'm Jordan Bryan.
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I'm an Aussie transgender filmmaker. Awesome.
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I love that. So right out of the gate, I think this is probably the most basic
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question out there, but we've got to get out of the way.
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What inspired you to create the documentary Transition? so
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i've been living in afghanistan for five
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years and you know i knew i was
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going to transition but i was waiting until i left afghanistan but
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i just didn't want to leave afghanistan it's such an incredible place so i ended
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up starting my hormone injections when i was living in afghanistan and as a
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filmmaker i thought that documenting my transition in afghanistan could be a way to show
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audiences the version of Afghanistan that I loved and was experiencing.
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I mean, Afghanistan is really the most profound and surprising and incredible place.
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For me as a foreigner, I lived a very different life from Afghans.
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Like Afghan queer people are severely oppressed and tortured and have no rights whatsoever.
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But for me as a privileged privileged foreigner, I really lived an incredible experience there.
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And so I started my transition and I started documenting it to show audiences
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the Afghanistan that I loved.
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But then when the Taliban took over six months later, obviously shit hit the
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fan, to say the least, and I stopped documenting my process.
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I didn't have the capacity.
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And that's when Monica Villamizar, the co-director and producer,
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heard about me and heard about the film and then she jumped on and convinced
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me to keep shooting and to make the film that we made.
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I blame her. um once again
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it's a positive upward blame right exactly can
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you share with us like what are some of the main themes explored in the film
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i think having a non-binary perspective on very typically binary topics you
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know these the binary thinking that we have with the good guys and the bad guys love, hate, man,
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woman, to really try to reframe everything as a bit of a mix or constantly moving
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up and down the spectrum between good guy and bad guy, love and hate.
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I think for me, that's the most important part of the story,
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to give people an experience with the Taliban.
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I mean, the Talib characters in the film, you know, and we think we know about
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the Taliban and we hate the Taliban, And rightly so, as an organization,
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they are absolutely fucking awful.
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They're oppressive. They're brutal.
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They're erasing women from society.
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And within that organization, you have a whole bunch of individuals, most of them awful.
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But every now and then, there's a decent human being amongst them.
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And we were lucky enough to find one of those decent human beings.
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Through him, we got to learn more about the Taliban, about their own,
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you know, their own suffering, their own disappointments, their own despair and hopes and humor.
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And then, you know, you start to realize that this person who has this label,
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which is Talib, is actually a multidimensional person, just like the rest of us.
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And then you, while you're watching the film, you start to have this experience
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of like discomfort because you're like, wait, am I actually connecting with a Talib?
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Like, how can I be connecting with a Talib? This is just not okay.
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And, you know, what the film does is ask people to hold both his brutality and
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his oppressive behavior and his tenderness and his humor and his kindness at the same time.
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And this experience is is pushing people to stop thinking in binaries.
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That was an epic answer. Did that make any sense? That did. That did.
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And it's great because it leads into my next question.
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Because when you tell stories, right, you're telling a story,
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like the way you're talking about right now, you're telling a story of an individual.
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How do you approach that kind of storytelling? How do you tell that kind of
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story without making them seem, like you said, binary one way or the other? How do you do that?
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I think, like, I mean, it's my job as a filmmaker, You're always looking for
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what they're not saying, what the character is not saying. We call it subtext.
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And so like when you spend a lot of time with a character, you start to understand
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the subtext in their life.
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So, you know, even if a certain sentence is coming out of their mouth,
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you know that it actually means something else or it's linked to something else.
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And so in spending a lot of time with these guys.
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Yeah, so when you're spending a lot of time with these guys,
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you get to understand the things that they're not saying,
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and you get to understand body language and glances and things that enable you
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to dive deeper into their character.
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And then when you are filming, you're looking for these moments and making sure
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that you're recording them, and that's how you build out a multidimensional character.
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So first off, welcome, Monica. I know we had echoes going on there.
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It's all right. It's in 3D, but audio. So the question I have for you is,
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what challenges did you face during the production of this documentary?
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Yeah, well, the production of the documentary was very challenging in so many ways.
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First of all, you know, it was taking place, I guess, in what's described as an active war zone.
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So it's very hard to, you know, get a crew mobilized there to go there yourself.
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The regime in place was not recognized by the international community.
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It's a rogue regime. the Taliban had taken over.
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We had all sorts of issues filming in Iran, for instance, as well,
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where, you know, there's not like a free press and it's extremely hard to,
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you know, be a journalist there and make documentary content there.
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So from like international travel to security issues to a lot of these challenges
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were mainly what we were facing.
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But, you know, the story was so extraordinary.
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And Jordan had so much access in these places and so many connections with the
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community and people who were there to facilitate and help that it made it all better.
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My next question, I think, is really for both of you, because talking about
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what you guys are both saying, and we'll start with you, Jordan, first.
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What do you hope that the audience takes away from watching Transition?
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Yeah, I mean, everything I said about the non-binary perspective on things, I think, you know,
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when we have experiences of pushing our brains to be elastic and to get out
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of these ideas and these,
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like, you know, we think we know, and I want people to realize that we don't know.
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Whatever we think we know, there is so much more to know and to have that be
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our default position when we are meeting people or reading or watching films.
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And you, Monica? It's a great question.
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I think my answer is twofold. I think in general, I want an audience to take
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away from our film the fact that it's OK to have complexity and to feel,
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you know, different sort of feelings throughout the film and to explore several
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issues and to feel you are in contradiction with your own beliefs,
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question your kind of dogmas and your moral system, if you will. I think that's all OK.
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Like, I think we have a tendency to really get used to films that are kind of
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they tell you this is what it is and this is how you should feel the takeaway.
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And I think it's OK to kind of explore and get lost in these things.
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And also, like more on a personal level, I want people to take home the fact
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that being a conflict reporter is extremely difficult, that we sacrifice a lot
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personally to keep you all informed and that it is a worthy profession.
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We need to know what's going on in the world because you know things matter
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and they will keep happening so you know it's it's kind of a a love letter i
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always say to the profession in
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a way can i add one more thing to that also like uh you know one of the things
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one of the reasons that i wanted to make this film in the first place was to
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also let all of the little kids out there.
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Know that guys we can do everything
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and anything and i know life is real difficult like
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but then you watch this film and you see that this person
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was going through a really hard time and at the same time was still like being
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a filmmaker living in afghanistan doing the whole thing and now i'm like the
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happiest person i've ever met so i just want to remind all the queer kids out
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there like don't worry everything's going to be so great i absolutely love that
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and i think look that's such a great message, right?
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Because the thing is, you know, we go through any impression is never good, right?
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But then when we can see yourself through that, we realize, you know,
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I'm just being me and that is who I want to be.
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And that's all I ever need to be is who I want to be, right?
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As long as you are not hurting anybody and you are spreading,
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you know, happiness and love, that's all that matters, right?
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And I think sometimes we forget that.
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And I love the fact that you said that because you're right.
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This younger generation needs to know that you're You're going to be okay.
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You're going to get through it. And when we get to that point,
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you're going to love who you are. And hopefully you agree with that entirely, Jordan.
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So it's kind of a two-part question. The first one was for Jordan,
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you know, what drew you to live in Afghanistan as you've been here for five years?
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And then the second part of this question is there's a part in the movie where
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you're kind of explaining like the hardships of the importance of journalism
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and, you know, just toughing it through and everything.
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Thing why and then and then also saying like you know once you you know you
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move on more future journalists should come what what is the most importance
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as far as continuing and showcasing like what is happening in afghanistan why
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is it important to let everyone know.
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I was living in Afghanistan because when I was a teenager, my mom,
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who you also meet in the film, bloody legend that she is, she had been giving
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me stuff to read about Afghanistan when I was a teenager,
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which is quite impressive for a woman that is living in a very,
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very small rural town in Australia back in the 90s.
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For her to be giving her kid literature about Afghanistan to read was quite
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remarkable. So I always had this magical image of this place in my mind.
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And then when it was time to go, it was time to go. So I moved there.
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But I'm going to let Mon answer the question about why it's important for journalists to do their job.
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Well, I think, you know, Afghanistan is America's longest war, right?
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So I think there's a general, you know, starting by that, we're all kind of
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attracted or interested by the fact of, you know, America sort of went to this
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country, invaded for so long.
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And then where did everything go?
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Where did all the money, how was it spent? And the regime change and the sort
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of democracy building that was done sort of all crumbled and collapsed very
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quickly as the Taliban took over.
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So I think there's sort of like a discourse, a public discourse in the media
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and by government of what's going on and how it's working.
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And then it really contrasted to like, wait, what just happened there?
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And what is the reason? So for us through Jordan to get such intimate access
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to the Taliban that were this enemy,
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abstract and extremely feared, but who we were able to know in a very different
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way from like a military standpoint, which was America's approach,
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was, I think, very interesting and very valuable.
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I mean, all these people come up to us and say the footage.
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Document like historic document of these men is absolutely
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incredible you know afghanistan is really
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one of the most misunderstood places in the world because
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you know people didn't have access to to the country to like you know the real
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country the real people and there was a very very narrow narrative about the
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country and i think these kinds of stories that show a different version of Afghanistan,
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the Afghanistan that we all fall in love with, like all of us that go there
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absolutely fall in love with it.
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I think it's a good reminder for people to remember that Afghanistan is a place
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that's worth fighting for.
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It's been a hot mess for the longest time and it wasn't paradise before. Now it's hell on earth.
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But there is still so much worth fighting for there.
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It's really the most amazing relationship I've ever had in that country.
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That that aspect because i mean i'm sure it'll probably segue to the next question but,
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it was just very interesting to see the way
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it was presented because it very did to your point it gave
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us a whole different perspective and it gave me a different level of empathy
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to certain individuals within the the film and i'm like oh and it kind of like
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you kind of said it a couple times it like kind of makes you teeter back and
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forth like you know what they're about but then And also it's like,
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there's compassion here at the same time,
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but wait a minute. So it was very interesting to see that.
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I, you know, what I love about that too, is that the, the concept that you said
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of a compassion and fighting for, you know, your, your home.
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Right. And I think in many ways, you know, no matter what the image may be on the outside, right.
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It's still somebody's home, right? Like it's still somebody's place of where
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they are and what they're dealing with.
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And, you know, shedding and not enough films, I think, show the inside of what
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people are dealing with in their home. You know what I mean?
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In many ways, this film is like a, it's, it's a movie about misfits,
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right? People trying to fit in where they want to fit in. Right.
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And I love that because we, you know, even in this show, we always talk about
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how do we how do we kind of grow from our turmoil? Right. Sometimes that's the hardest thing to do.
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And I think you guys nail that in such a such a great way.
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So my question for both of you is, what do you think the impact of this film
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is going to do to have on audiences overall?
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I mean, I don't know. I think the impact is going to vary.
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I mean, loads of people have sort of come up to us in festivals and and reacted
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in very different ways. case, I think ultimately what I think Americans will
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take out of it is that it's very much a film about freedom and the lack of freedom.
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So what happens when you are free and emancipated and you can be true to yourself
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and you're good in your own skin,
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which is Jordan's case, but, you know, the opposite with a country,
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a population that's losing its freedoms bit by bit, you know,
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like women most specifically, too.
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I mean, they're really the ones that have been the most affected and they've
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gone completely backwards. But, you know, it's not something that's happening in a vacuum.
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You know, women in America, we have lost a lot of freedom, too,
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with all the abortion debate, for instance.
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And I think there is weirdly like parallels and it resonates with the American
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public in that way, because it is a country that's founded to,
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you know, pursue freedom, individual freedom.
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And I think this film explores that in an interesting way, or at least we wanted
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it to be an interesting way. Yeah, we hope it was interesting.
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I think I mean everyone that has seen the film like I mean hundreds and thousands
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of people have seen the film and I have not had,
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one person speak negatively about the film.
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And I think that is a real testimony to the skillful storytelling of the team, of the directors,
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the producers, and especially the editors, to be able to tell a story that has
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so much potential to be awful.
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It has so much potential to to offend Afghans, to offend trans people,
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to offend people of color.
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It really has so much potential. But everybody that watches it is so moved by
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the humanity of all of the characters.
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And I think that was more of a self-promoting review than a comment on what
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people are going to take away.
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Wait, not my answer.
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I think it's fine. I think I like it.
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Yeah, that'll work. You earned that. You earned that ability to say that.
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You know what I mean? And I think that's okay. Oh, my God.
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At least this one's for Monica. It's like, how did you navigate? Actually, both of you.
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How did you navigate the ethical considerations while documenting such personal stories?
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That's a great question. And we get asked that a lot. I think, look, we navigated.
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I guess the short version of the answer is that being a journalist,
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like I'm kind of used to navigating these ethical minefields.
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It's something that journalists are always thinking about.
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And with Jordan, we very much discussed this, the ethical dilemmas the whole time.
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The first thing that we did that I think was unique, and I'm happy we did it,
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was that we put it out there transparently.
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Jordan's going through this, the editorial team's going through this.
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We want it out there for the audience to see that we were struggling with these ethical qualms.
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And I think that is very honest, at least in the film.
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We were always basically wondering how to present the Taliban in a way that
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wasn't too humanizing because they've done awful things, but also had a lot
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of questions like, should we be.
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Telling them more about what we're doing?
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I mean, we were very upfront with them. We're doing a story about Jordan and
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documenting his life behind the scenes so they knew, but they didn't know about his identity.
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And we thought it wasn't really their business. And ultimately,
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this also would protect them with the hierarchy.
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So yeah, the ethics were really at the forefront the whole time in our conversations.
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Dilemmas are like really part of the key themes of the film.
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And I just know that like for myself as, as a character and as the person who
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was living through this, those ethical dilemmas were a part of our day-to-day life. And I.
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You know, I think that's also what really makes the film interesting and unique
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is that we have, like Mon said, we have made those ethical dilemmas a part of the film.
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But I just want to say one thing that's very important to say,
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like, you know, the real hero of this film is Teddy.
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Ready he as an Afghan filmmaker to to
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stay with me and to go and embed with that
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Taliban unit and front up to them and make his relationships with them with
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the the people that destroyed his country that have ruined his life it's uh
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it's an incredible incredible strength and testimony to his character that he
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was so committed to being a filmmaker and to to telling stories that he was
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putting his own struggles aside.
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So, you know, it's all good and well for Mon and I to talk about our ethical
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dilemmas, but it's Teddy who had to go through way more than the rest of us.
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Everything you guys have been saying has been having a general theme,
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right? And I love that theme of how the story matters, right?
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The story matters for everybody.
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But what I wanted to really touch on before we wrap up here,
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we talked about journalism and how journalists,
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you know, it does, Because maybe I'm misseeing it, but it does seem like it's
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becoming a slight dying profession and where people are not getting involved into it as much anymore.
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And I want to point out that journalism is so important to everything that we
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need in life right now, especially in the stories that we have going on overseas, even here at home.
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We need journalists. And I think my, I guess my question about that is how do
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we inspire more journalists, more young youth, young people to say,
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I need to get out there and tell the story?
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What do you think is that idea that could help spark that interest again?
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I think that, I mean, I'm not a journalist, I'm a filmmaker,
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but it's under the same umbrella.
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I mean, guys, this is the most fun job you can possibly ever imagine.
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Like getting up close and personal with people that you would never otherwise get to know and like,
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traveling to places and discovering things and learning about yourself in the process.
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It's absolutely the funnest job ever. And it's also a really creative job.
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No, I love your question. And I think it's thank you for it. And you are right.
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Journalism is in a total crisis. It's partly our fault, the media's fault.
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But I want to tell young people or people in general, imagine a world where
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everything you're fed content wise is like celebrity or or true crime, or these kind of things.
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You're not going to know anything that's happening around the world.
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And when bombs explode and missiles strike, and what's happening in Gaza,
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for instance, you're not going to have a clue why.
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We all have a right for information, and democracy is going to die without information.
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So it is a very important fundamental right. And I hope that inspires people
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to go out there and become journalists, and not just put stuff on YouTube or TikTok, whatever.
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You know, it is a profession with editors and people who study and,
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you know, have a lot of discussions and and almost like have a hierarchy of
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the news. And that's there for a reason.
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Like, we need to trust the institutions. And I know they failed us,
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but the media institutions are important.
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Rick, before we wrap up here, do you have any last questions?
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The one thing I just want to ask real quick is for Jordan is because you mentioned
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Teddy. How is Teddy doing?
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So what's such a wonderful individual? visual and i
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really love the story and i definitely felt for him especially a couple
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scenes there that were a little a little a little hard because i know he you
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know we're watching the news and what's getting updates and i saw the the you
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know just the tragedy of his like you said his country and and whatnot and then
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even when you were leaving for a brief moment and he didn't you know didn't
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really know if you're going to come back or not i was so happy i was like.
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Come back so like how is
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he doing oh teddy he's um i saw him
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he's living in uh living in in berlin i saw
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him i hung out with him for a few days a couple of
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weeks ago he's um he's okay he's he's working full-time and studying german
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full-time so he's 24 7 seven days a week he's exhausted and he's not really
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connecting so well with german culture but hopefully once he learns more of
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the language, that will change.
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I mean, Teddy never wanted to leave Afghanistan. He had dreams of starting a
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production company and staying there.
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But then the bloody Taliban came and it's not possible for anyone with a mind
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or ambitions like Teddy's to stay there.
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So he literally was forced to leave. He's not great, but he's making the most of it.
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You know, like refugees, man, they don't want to leave their bloody home country.
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They don't want to come and live in a
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completely different culture and language and everything like
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it's uh it's really tough they're damned if they stay and
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damned if they go yeah that's that's it's
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unfortunate right that you have to be put in that situation to to to
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do so but i think the only thing we can always do is
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stay positive right and find our way to to just you know like we said tell our
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story some way right so as we wrap up here i just wanted to tell you guys both
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thank you so much for your time thank you so much for being a part of this and
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thank you for allowing us to share your story with so many people and i believe
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that that this movie is going to touch a lot of people. It's going to inspire a lot of people.
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And I believe that we need to get more people to watch it. So Jordan,
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if you may tell them where they can find your movie right now, please. Yes, guys.
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It's on like Amazon prime, Apple.
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YouTube premium, Vimeo premium, and a whole bunch of like basically all of the
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big digital streaming platforms in the U S and only in the U S at this point, you can rent it.
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So go find it and watch it and have an experience.
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Yes, please do. And I want to say something to Monica real fast.
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Monica, representing journalism, just keep that fire burning.
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Let's keep that flag burning.
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Let's keep growing journalism and women in journalism.
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Thank you so much. That's great. And minorities in journalism because I'm Latin.
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Thank you so much Thank you for having us guys Great conversation,
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Thank you Thank you guys Bye bye.
